In fact, remote diagnostics are not allowed and as always with bug hunting, one needs to fully understand the problem before one can draw the right conclusion. But according to the International Classification of Diseases, there are at least hard and comprehensible indicators that point to a possible pathological event.
A disorder characterized by an enduring pattern of grandiose beliefs and arrogant behavior together with an overwhelming need for admiration and a lack of empathy for (and even exploitation of) others.
The âexploitation of othersâ could possibly manifest itself by banning people like you
Iâm always wondering why some people are allowed to personal attacks without being suspended or otherwise sanctioned. And itâs always the same set of guys.
I said Stupid when not able to read. You spoke about licensing Issues of Java which not exist. That you want them to exist will not be true also not that with GTK and GO you can at the moment release GO single binary while that is not existing at the moment and also not GTK Desktop Software while the GO-GTK has too many Bugs and is still in early beta. nobody should use it in production while it is not stable at all. And reading the Issues around showing me exactly that.
And yes, it makes me Angry when and if somebody which is getting the Informations served that he is not right starts bitching and arguing why he is still right. Sorry, you are not.
And after all of that starting to cut out the rest of the spoken words is not only not fair it is also not true. While I said that not personally to you I said that to the community. Means: I did not meant you. But if you are not willing to follow any argument and telling me that I am wrong where I am right and on top that Java has licensing issues there is the need that I am arguing about.
Why? Simple. I am releasing Software with this Code, If there would be any licensing Issue, what would that mean to me? It is a criminal act to use not licensed Software. I would be criminal. That is at the end what you said with it. And, be careful with something like it, that is not okay to say. you could say there was a discussion. But you said: there are licensing issues. That is a clear and simple: LIE.
So I am of course not willing to let that stand as the end of a conversation. and while you are not happy with that what you are getting as return you are again complaining. That is not a discussion then.
You could try to follow the line and you would get: there is no GTK GO at the moment and even the link you showed up for the GTK GO single binary shows: it is not even once released as alpha, it is in early stage of Development. What came up when I said not usable: Java has licensing Issues.
and from this point on you think and believe that that is discussion? I am sorry for that. You should rethink.
Responding to each and every thing in these lengthy posts â especially all the ones never written but somehow implied â is tedious. Itâs not clear to me why every forward-looking idea and question about experience with some tool or library has to immediately be cast as âitâs not production readyâ. Obviously, and thatâs not the claim or purpose. Every toolkit and language had to start somewhere, and people had to invest time to make them into what they are today. Those are completely different discussions than âwhat tool should I use for my business today?â Apples and oranges, as we (culturally) say.
there is no need for any Discussion. Since OpenJDK is open Sourced with Classpath Exeption there is no licensing discussion. This Discussion was never there. It came up when Oracle told the public that Java 8 and Java 11 will not be free to use anymore. What they meant: Java JDK. What what it is not: OpenJDK. That are two different worlds. And the licensing of Oracle was about the Support. While Oracle said when and if we spend support we want to get paid for. If you danât want it download OpenJDK.
This is a phantom discussion. There is NO and was NEVER any licensing Issue with Java. That was clearly stated by Oracle from the first day. And they never claimed that OpenJDK Download is violating JDK license. Not one Second. Never.
Many Industries buying their Support from OpenJDK Partners like AZUL, Liberica (Bell-Soft) and other from Oracle. There is also no harming while there is no change for anybody in the Industry. Only you tend to see something what is not there. It is a Ghost Discussion and maybe I am a bit to aggressive about that while I had that kind of Discussions over and over. And Everybody can read. If you would read you would get to this informations:
And show stopping it was for nobody- all users I had before I had also after but some of them changes to OpenJDK and some used JDK from Oracle and some OpenJDK from Oracle. What the Heck, There was no Licensing Issue. The Issue was: where I will get my Support
How to deal with that exquisite collection of skeletons in the cupboard wasnât part of the âThank you MVPsâ post.
Someone had to explicitly ask for it: https://forum.xojo.com/t/archived-bugs/75033
If you find an archived bug, that is still relevant, please comment there.
If itâs your bug, you should have a button to reopen it.
Iâll try to explain this procedure to my customers tomorrow, if you donât hear from me again, then it was as successful as I suspect. MVP probably stands for Minimum Viable Product.
It is actually possible that some of the code helpers in the works wouldnât be that hard to integrate into Xojo. Cody from SourceGraph for example. Those will be trained on the corpus of public repositories (including the handful of Xojo ones) and could be additionally trained on your own codebase. Unfortunately in the case of SourceGraph they seem to be doing their own plugins so theyâd need a reason to do a Xojo one. And I canât think of one, lol.
Right now they have a plugin for VS Code but not Visual Studio. Iâm interested to take it for a spin. My client would pay for the service if it was any sort of force multiplier for me.
The example value proposition would be for me to be able to say, âCody, write unit tests for the public methods of the following 3 classesâ and have it do a credible job of that.
ETA: they open-sourced Cody yesterday, looks like.
The problem is that the handful of Xojo ones will all be API 1 and itâll end up producing code that does not work. API 2 made any chance of teaching an AI how to code in Xojo 100 times harder as there just isnât much training data available anymore. API 2 really is the gift that keeps on giving.
I am a Github Copilot User. Copilot is an ai tool made by Github. It writes great Code which I can use and safes about 30% of time when coding. That is - in my case - am important helper. Makes it faster to get the Job done. And the quality is high. So: yes, Xojo is outdated. It comes up like 20 years before.
It does a great job, but not all the time. Although yesterday, it suggested something that was EXACTLY what I wanted from my Xanadu HTML Element Classes which was to render a Modal. It even added modal title based on nearby code used as an ID for the modal.
It doesnât ⌠when learning via a popular tutorial :-). Funny story, it took me a while do recognize that I should better switch off Github Copilot while learning. I have to admit it was somehow comfortable that Copilot finished my exercise after having typed 1 1/2 lines max, but that doesnât help when learning .
I know that many think AI is BS and it doesnât always produce the best code indeed, but it helps so much to give you some ideas, or at least to generate you a template which you change to your needs. For instance you type a comment:
// retrieve data from Munich from fancyweatherapi.com âŚand you will usually get a template in no time.
I think that the younger generation which has already used such tools, will laugh at Xojo, exactly for that feature missing. And Github pilot would need a lot of Xojo code on github to train the engine ⌠but Xojo doesnât even have Git integrated. Dead road!
Indeed
Trying to distance themselves from BASIC as a part of the name doesnt seem to have helped OR hurt
But the name change did
It takes a LOT of time to regain what name recognition you had when you do change names
Years in fact
Plus, one might hate BASIC, but the former name was honest and to the point, plus understandable in many countries. And if their target audience are really beginners, or people looking for RAD ⌠what is then wrong with âbasicâ?
Those people might actually prefer something âbasicâ (understandable) than a name like âXojoâ. And if they understand the âobject orientedâ part in Xojo, they might actually fear that it will be too complicated ⌠plus it was only recently that they started to explain on the homapge what Xojo stands for.
