yes, unfortunately, and it doesnât seem to change anytime soon.
Before anyone else complains that Iâm just rambling. There is no software without bugs, but there are only a few manufacturers who just talk the world nice, negate bugs and just carry on as usual.
Great wisdom and philosophical depth. Kant comes flat and shallow, when compared to this one.
No one from Xojoâs management joined the debate why XDC is unattractive to developers.
It must also be mentioned that the thread did not get locked or deleted, which is good and must be noted on the positive side.
https://forum.xojo.com/t/why-xdc-is-not-attractive-to-people/74806
Most of the posts are related to cost of attending. The cost matter less if there werenât so many bugs.
Back when they started recording XDC sessions, Geoff wanted a fancy production quality. I suggested just put a camera on the speaker at the beginning then pivot to the screen and pivot back at the end. No editing. Just capture, compress, and post. Instead we had to wait weeks for the videos.
Iâm guessing that he wants XDC somewhere not so affordable so he and Xojo âlook goodâ. No care for what the Devs wants just like not caring about fixing bugs.
But Steve Jobs always asked for brilliant recording quality!
Fresh from their helpdesk, you only need to replace water with âXojo bugâ.
Silencing people, doesnât increase product quality âŚ
Regressions tests should have cau âŚ
never mind 
Isnt that the definition of insanity ?
doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result ?
no, thatâs entirely up to me, because I believe in crazy ideas. For example, in my world, the earth is a sphere and it revolves around the sun.
Anyone want to place a bet on that was why they didnt do it for so many years ?
If it can be broadcast quality like Apple does weâre not going to do it !
or something like that
TBH I did this with a much smaller company nearly a decade earlier
Every attendee got the DVD with every session recording on it from Keynote to wrap up on the last day as they left
Plus CDâs with sessions slides & example projects
And it was all done in what I would consider very good quality even then
Thanks to Apple for sending all the Mac Proâs to rip from digital tapes & compress the video
it is & was possible but âŚ
blah
bland
flavourless
hmmmm âŚ
And again the motivation of the company to act like they do is to have a clear outside communication we have a fw Bugs but nearly no showstoppers and if there is a showstopper we will fix it immediately so everybody keeps in production. Thinking about that makes me also realizing that they said this exactly also about Xojo Web 1.0âŚbut there was of coarse no fix. But Xojo Web 1 was only on focus for old Customers not for new ones.
I heard that relationships are built upon trust that, once damaged, can be difficult to impossible to restore.
The damage was done slowly before Web 2
Yanking Web1 with no âupgrade pathâ, as hinted there would be, and no support for Web 1 seriously hurt it
API2 pretty much crushed it for many
Difficult to restore ?
Sure
but theyâve not even started to try to restore it from what I can tell
Letâs do a little grammar school exercise:
Open â Opening
Ignore â Ignoring
Fail â Failing
That sums up my experience.
It is my belief theyâve decided that theyâve moved on from old customers because we complain too much. Seriously, we keep asking for bug free new features, bug fixes for bugs that have been around a while, and for power features. New users donât ask for those things because they donât know any better yet.
If Web 1 was another target like Mac, Win, Linux this likely wouldnât have happened.
Web 2 would have needed to fit the constraints. Instead, Xojo decided to create an entirely different app model.
This also makes it likely that Web 2 will be trashed in favor of Web 3 someday in the future.
I respectfully disagree. I was a new user. What I expected was a platform that had the basics right, not requiring epic workarounds and declares. As a semi-professional developer I depend more on good and complete documentation than a pro dev. To my horror, Xojo doc was moved to a totally poor implementation and is riddled with errors and omissions. Xojo got me lost, the new customer had to be replaced with a new one after less than a year. Thatâs a fast spin.
Instead of âWe are experiencing an unusually high number of bugs latelyâ, say âWe donât have enough peopleâŚâ
