If they could fix / solve this I think a LOT of angst would dissipate
Oh I donāt need an exit strategy from Xojo. I have Java as Solution for all purposes. and if one day I find out I need different stuff I can use for example C++. No problem. I should have done in front.
In my opinion there is no question about Xojo MVP informations or no informations, in my opinion Xojo was not initiating the MVP Story for that but for a good standing in marketing. Letās say it strongly looks like this.
I did not missed the informal advisory position. But I see how the MVP are used through the company marketing.
It makes differences for christian that he is MVP. But Xojo is not turning to do anything to reach his Ideas of quality. Following to the stuffs he was quoting in many discussions you may get out that he try to get them to a better quality direction but nothing happened. So is the world better? Hmm, maybe yes while his Plugins can become better from more internal informations through Xojo. If.
I was explaining how it looked. And it would look different if any user would write before anything or directly after. But he wrote and the Thread got closed immediately. That is fact.
Ans I donĀ“t See issues where are none: Christian is in a position where it can be really bad for him if people loosing the trust in him while he is acting as MVP. I see that he is not doing that but I see also that people asking themself.
Well you did need one as they forced your hand, its fortunate that you got out and found a better solution for your needs, Iām happy about that.
If you tell anyone you have new MVPs they are using it āas marketingā, if you donāt tell anyone about the MVPs it limits their usefulness to the community and userbase. A small minority visits the forum where you and I find out about them, they have to tell their other customers about them some how, osmosis nor telepathy work on the internet, I cannot comprehend your logic.
I canāt recall Christian saying āI asked Xojo to fix stuff quicker and not release buggy software, but they ignored meā but I might have missed that post, please do link me to it if its out there.
Maybe youāre only seeing that because youāre looking for it, itās called confirmation bias.
If people donāt understand what his role is then its their own problem is they decide to pull their support of his plugins. They are literally cutting off their nose to spite their face. The miniscule minority of people who might be upset enough to vote with their feet are, Iām sure, insignificant to his userbase who donāt even frequent the forums. Letās not forget here that thereās only about 100 active users on the forum who regularly and actively participate in āforum related stuffā.
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[quote=āthommcgrath, post:201, topic:1865, full:trueā]Thereās a market and Xojo could be the one to fill the role. Youād end up designing your desktop UIs in a responsive manner, and Iām not sure what itād look like, but thatās how Iād try to make it happen.
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Quark is on that path (desktop is available, mobile is on the way) but their CSS support needs updating.
Oh you are totally wrong: I didnātĀ“t need one. But I was extremely upset for deprecating a product and not having the new one ready. That made my Problems. To change the Development environment was a decision of seconds as I am old Java developer there was no problem for me to switch.
The Logic behind is simple: Xojo has no Support. And the Support is needed. They invented the MVP and they are the back of the Support. Cause they do a good Job. Anthony, besides the fact that he bans people, does for example a good supporter Job. But that should be the Job of Xojo, inc and not of MVP. The entire sense behind is that they donāt have enough people to get all the Jobs done.
I can cause of Discussions on Discord Group. So I believe that he is asking and that they do not change. I can not believe that he would lie. For what. Would not help him. So he tries to get everything done. and to be polite and help where he can.
Maybe youāre ignoring the situation or you donāt want to change your point of view. That is not my problem and I will not discuss that further: we are turning and turning around.
To say if people donāt understand what his role isā¦sorry that sounds a bit arrogant. But maybe I am misunderstanding.
MVPās, and moderators, shouldnāt be considered or used as Xojo Support
An exit strategy is a means of leaving oneās current situation, either after a predetermined objective has been achieved, or as a strategy to mitigate failure.
By the very fact that youāre no longer using Xojo is the embodiment of an exit strategy, but call it what you want, I guess its lost in translation.
You are misunderstood, that is not the role of the MVPs, how often do you see Wayne or Gavin post, hardly ever? Anthony only started regularly helping people at the start of the year as more people got involved in web I assume he was seeing a lack of web input on the forum. Jeremie only started helping people recently, most threads I remember used to be about him not responding to anyone. People help others because they can and/or want to, most were doing it before they were MVPs and will continue after, just because they are MVPs doesnāt magically make them part of Xojo support.
You believe heās asking or heās actually asking? Has he mentioned this on the INN discord because Iām not on there and I canāt recall him mentioning asking anywhere else?
Which situation are you referring to, the MVP one? I can see no situation with this and Iāve not heard anything that would persuade me otherwise.
Okay Julian this is waste of time. You try to turn every word around. But that makes no sense. not for me not for others. If you like to know join Discord. That is not that hard. And speak with him when he is online. Ask him by self. And no the is no loss of translation while there is no translator. It nerves when somebody makes a state affair from nothing only to show: hey I am maybe right while I believe so. I will not answer on this try anymore. Search another one to do it.
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This isnāt nothing though, this has been going on for months and months and itās still going on. I understand your pain, that youāre hurt, the company you liked betrayed you but you need to take a look at what youāre saying.
Iām not trying to be right, Iām pointing out where you are making unfounded statements, if you can back up statements like āThe MVP are not there to help the company to find the right way.ā or āThere is nothing what makes the world better while Chistian is MVPā or āThey invented the MVP and they are the back of the Supportā then I will quite happily listen to the evidence but if you have none then I can only assume that these are just incoherent ramblings. I tried to get you to evidentially back up the statements and it seems you didnāt so it is what it is. Thanks for the chat.
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The MVP are not there to help the company to find the right way
Exactly that is where they are not for. The most important part of MVP is the communication between the Company and the Customers. Even if they are rarely doing support. They are near and close to the users. That could be the right way butā¦
And you can dig by self for evidences. Ask people. But stop telling me I am not speaking truths. That is not okay. I NEVER spotted that the company betrayed me. I never said that I like ore liked the Company. And I never said that they hurt me. They have done something else. And it is not fighting for my self. Also for others. But never mind: you spotted here arguments which are totally wrong without any evidence. So how you want to judge me? Really not.
Goes both ways, a recent Apple initiated investigation found that allowing side loading on the iPhone would be detrimental to every single iPhone owner out there. Because allowing side-loading removes choice! ēå±
So friendly hereā¦
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There is a lot of tension around at the moment huh?
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Bully, nope, intelligent piss taker, yes.
āIntelligent piss takerā implies that HE takes the piss and EVERYONE including himself finds it funny - but Clarkson isnāt TAKING the piss, he is pissing on others. And often steps over the boundary into bullying.
Case in point: when Clarkson repeatedly calls someone āfoetus-boyā then that is neither funny nor intelligent ā¦ but bullying.
My dog has an automatic Rindenreaktion when she hears anything that might be out of the ordinary, such as me trying to pronounce Schnappreaktion, which I think I ended up sounding like Sean Conneryā¦
Edit: Google pronounced it for me, and I am ashamed at my foolish attempts.
What have I done???
Shoot me now ā¦ 
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the ignore things work quite well if you need them 
At least it makes feel better to be able to ignore if needed.