True @Emile but they really don’t like being called pro-birth-and-don’t-come-to-us-looking-for-aid-or-assistance-afterwards.
Seems like a good idea:
Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750.
Just read that one and of course the White House responds with “oh no he paid millions”
Uh huh … release your returns and let people see
This whole BS about “its under audit” isnt a thing - the IRS doesnt care if you release them while they are under audit
I’ve been reading a lot of ignorant thoughts in this thread and it’s frustrating.
I’ve got tons of work to do and I don’t really have time to share my thoughts right now.
When I get time I’ll post information and maybe we’ll get a good dialog going because honestly I don’t think many of you know the truth or understand it.
If you do know the truth of various situations then I’d like to know why you think Democrats are justified ?
I know many of you spouting anti-Trump rants aren’t U.S. citizens.
I’d like to ask that everyone posting in this thread please say what country/state you are in.
I’m very curious.
I live in California, U.S. and I’m an American citizen by birth.
Well, unlike the US we still have a fairly decent non-partisan press, so maybe if you would read more international news (like I do) from people who don’t have a stake in what they report (esp Fox news) then maybe, just maybe, you would be more careful about whom you call ignorant.
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In Germany we already did the Nazi thing a while ago. I studied the history a bit.
I’m in Canada
Normally in Canada we can extrapolate from things occurring in the USA to here.
Auto accidents is a good example
In the USA in 2016 there were roughly 37000 deaths by auto accidents
Canada having about 10% if the US population we should have around 3700
Statistics show that the number was a tad under 10% at 2900
Most things you can estimate just by taking 10% of what the USA experiences and that will be VERY close to what happens in Canada
Except in a handful of areas
- deaths by gunshot of all kind (our gun laws are substantially stricter)
- bankruptcy because of medical bills (we have single payer health care)
and more currently - covid response
With #3 because Canada has about 10% of the population of the USA you would expect we have 10% of the numbers the USA has
But its nowhere near that
The USA has some 7.6 million cases and 210,000 deaths
Canada should, by all accounts if they responded the same way the US governments and states did, have about 760,000 cases and 21,000 deaths
We have 160,000 cases and 9000 deaths
The differences are hard to explain unless you accept that the US governments response was seriously flawed
Like others I watch a range of media and much of it has no skin in the game - the BBK CBC etc - outlets that just report it since they have no political agenda that they need to push to viewers. I’m an outside interested viewer only because we sit right next to you.
When you sit in a small room and the elephant in there passes gas everyone knows it.
You can’t trust the covid stats to reliably compare different countries.
I live in the USA (Omaha, Nebraska) and I believe the government totally botched its response to covid-19.
But its not 100% their fault. We have way too many people that believe this is a free country (HA!) and defy mandates to wear masks or socially distance because they think it violates their rights.
I’m wasnt intending to “compare” countries - just their response to the covid threat
Certainly not to say one is better or worse just that they share a LOT of characteristics
So many you can usually infer rates in one of certain things in the other
In most respects Canada is a lot like the USA
More than some folks would admit
But there some some real pointed differences
The response to covid is one
Health care and gun rights are two others
And our political systems
We have more than 2 parties nearly everywhere and most local elections dont even promote “party”
Our has as many flaws as any other - but it has some redeeming qualities as well
That depends on what you mean by “reliably”.
While statistics can’t be compared 1:1 (there are some differences in reporting, some countries simply can’t report all cases because they lack the capacity eg India, others deliberately underreport like Russia and Malaysia, some pretty much stop reporting like Sweden), that usually means that cases are being underreported but it does not mean that you can’t compare - especially where countries have similar societies (US, Canada, Western Europe).
By any rational measure Trump’s “handling” of the pandemic was incompetent (if you want to be charitable) to downright criminal (bleach?!).
I’m not disagreeing with either Norman or Markus but the more I heard, back awhile, the more I realised how difficult it is to get an accurate picture. Some advanced countries weren’t including deaths at home, some were including people who’d tested positive even if it wasn’t shown that they’d died from covid-19.
Belgium and Holland, for example, are probably a lot closer in terms of their experience than the stats suggest. Then there’s the extent to which normal services were disrupted for vulnerable people, cancer sufferers etc. It appears the most reliable measure may be excess deaths as compared to previous years. I think a definitive judgement about how different countries fared may be some time away.
I agree that a quantitative judgment is likely be some time away. But a qualitative judgment shows that we (the USA) have done, and continue to do, a very poor job having a national strategy to combat covid.
Agreed the actual stats probably wont be known for a long time - if ever
It seems widely suspected that actual corona virus deaths are under reported
There was one tracking project that simply compared this years death rates with long term averages for a lot of countries - they all get reporting deaths reasonably correct
That one gave a hint of how under reported corona virus deaths may actually be
darned if I can find it now
Hi @TraderX,
I can see this is really bothering you, so here’s my insight (and i suspect others may share this, even though we’re not US citizens…)
To may of us outside observers, this is what we see:
- a president that lowers himself to standards unbecoming of presidential conduct
- malicious suppression of any opposition press - equating basically anyone who disagrees with ‘fake news’
- bizarre spectacles like gassing your own country’s protesters to walk to a church to hold up a bible
- Obvious nepotism
- Obvious financial misconduct
- the list is very long indeed.
Then this is on a background of
- the US having undeniably high COVID mortality (and yes it’s difficult to know the exact death toll by COVID, but look at ‘excess deaths’ compared to the previous 5 years) – the same sadly applies to the UK and other countries and is being driven by the same policies and politics.
- the US having an inexcusably poor health economic policy, where most citizens are 1 major illness away from personal bankruptcy – of particular concern for many in the UK where any trade deal with the US is likely to hugely and negatively impact on the free-at-point-of-service National Health Service
- the US interfering with local politics (you will likely be completely unaware of this – but as an example take the US supporting Turkey at a time where Turkey is violating Greek airspace and sea borders multiple times a day on a daily basis and causing repeated crises… American support is bolstering much of this)
There are numerous examples - I could site… and while you can make the point that most of the critique is coming from people who aren’t US Citizens - you have to realise that US policies and conduct have a repercussion for almost all countries and it does concern citizens of any country.
Another point to make is that for many outside observers, there is no real differentiation between democrats and republicans - I personally find it quite funny the are designated as ‘left’ and ‘right’ wing parties, when from an outside point of view, both parties are clearly right wing, perhaps one more so than the other, but not with enough difference in ideology (other than say responsible vs. irresponsible capitalism) to actually separate them…
I think you’ll find most of the critism isn’t about political parties at all, but rather about the current POTUS and his shenanigans…
Anyway, that’s a point of view from across the pond, i’m sure there are many different opinions…
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I am a US citizen, born and bred… And i can not understand how anyone could consider voting for Trump. Maybe the first time when they did not really know him… but now I just don’t understand the values of anyone who will vote for him…
-karen
Mrs and Mr D. Trump are proud to announce they have reached the COVID 19.
I thought he was taking hydroxychloroquine to prevent the virus, which was a hoax anyway?
It will be interesting to see if he becomes symptomatic, and whether doing so affects his outlook.