My question really was rhetorical 
I dont pay much attention to the UK only because what happens across the pond tends to not affect us nearly as immediately as south of the border does.
We do indeed have a Trump pretender in the form of Boris Johnson, the second most dangerous leader in the world. Note, I use the term leader but he clearly isn’t one.
Hello.
I’m new here but not new to Xojo/RS/RB.
Before I share my feelings of Xojo and Geoff in another thread I wanted to comment here because I see a few people being anti Trump and anti Republican.
Fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinion even if it’s incorrect.
Strangely I don’t see any of those few talking about all the corruption, dishonesty and evil the Democrats intentionally cause.
Hmmm.
Also a bit strange is that the loudest anti Trumpers in this thread don’e even live in the United States.
Also Hmmm.
The loudest 3 seem to live in Canada, Germany, and maybe the UK.
I read the thread the other day so I’m going from memory.
I do see another person that slightly commented and he lives in California like myself.
I don’t want to name names because I’m not trying to start a flame war but some things to consider are:
- Your media sources are probably very liberal left wing/Democratic like most media.
That means the ‘views’ they are telling are biased against Trump and Republicans and they are Pro Democrats.
Living outside the country and passing judgement is kind of like if I were to pass judgement on your country when I don’t live there.
Easy to complain about but since I don’t personally live in your country I may not directly nor correctly understand the situation because I am not personally negatively effected by it.
I’m open to understanding why some of you are anti-Trump and please be honest about all the bad the Democrats do.
I suspect the few loudest complainers don’t have any idea of what the Democrats do which is why you’re anti-Trump.
When I have more time I’ll shed some light on how corrupt, dishonest, and disgusting U.S. Democrats are which is why Trump is the better choice for American citizens that work or are retired.
Trump was Democrat not so long ago.
Republicans “support” Trump because they have nobody else to support.
And, honestly, as a Republican, you cannot support that orange guy. The problem is that you cannot really be critical because he is you president.
As you said: no flame no war: there are enough in the beautiful federal forest of California.
PLEASE PLEASE LET US NOT START A TRUMP VS ANTI-TRUMP TOPIC HERE.
You say that my observations about Trump are wrong, and I say yours are not only wrong but delusional… Enough said.
Its one thing to make random comments in other topics about Trump, and another to devote an entire topic to it.
I rarely ignore entire topics… but for this one I am going to make an exception.
And I’m going to assume I am the Californian to whom you referred
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I’m from Germany, living in New Zealand, and actually read both left and right leaning papers from the UK (I lived there for 12 years and consider myself an anglophile), Germany, NZ, sometimes US. I have found the British Guardian newspaper to be the most balanced (though sometimes a bit too left with some opinion pieces).
As a Biologist studying Molecular Biology and Evolution&Development I also have a good understanding of Evolution, and a keen interest in non-biological Evolution of things like religions, societies, etc - as I’m interested in the long-term consequences of actions and developments.
A few examples:
- I predicted the current state of multi-resistant bacteria in 1983 (just before I started my studies)
- I predicted the rise of Apple in 2000 when I saw the first übergeeks at University running around with Powerbooks because of MacOS X
- I predicted the current state of Xojo when they introduced the Rapid Release Model in 2007.
- When everyone lauded Erdogan for his democratic and economic deeds (around 2010) I predicted that he would turn secular Turkey into a second Iran (after all he had said “Democracy is a train that you ride until you’ve reached your destination, and then you get off”).
Humans have many faults. One of their worst is their inability to look at longer term developments (like the climate crisis).
But the thing that annoys me about Humanity the most is how easily deceived they are.
For example you DO know that the Christmas story is completely made up? The Romans were VERY fond of counting the population as that ensured that a new governour could extract the maximum tax. However nobody in the whole history of population counting HAD to go back to where they were born - they were counted where they worked and paid tax! Everyone with a critical mind could have spotted that! But Humans are gullible, so the whole story was invented because some obscure prophet predicted that the messiah would be born to the House of David - which Nazareth isn’t but Bethlehem is. You study Theology - you even get told that it isn’t true. But the priests still preach it. Professional liars.
So to all those Creationists I say: you think God gave you a brain? Then use it.
Living outside the country and passing judgement is kind of like if I were to pass judgement on your country when I don’t live there.
Hmmm, not my experience with Americans, especially their president. “Hellhole New Zealand” ring a bell?
I have quite a few relatives in the US, and to be honest they are a conceited bunch. I met, lived with, worked with, and taught Americans as Universities are very international environments - and again, it did not improve my opinion about Americans. There were some smart people, but mostly they were prats. A bit like Cameron in “Dead Poets Society”, and they would sell you out for profit in a heart beat.
That being said I also have had contact with some very decent Americans. And I especially like the Obamas. Obama was and is one of the most decent presidents the US ever had, and Michelle is pure class. I wish she would run for President.
I’m open to understanding why some of you are anti-Trump and please be honest about all the bad the Democrats do.
I’m not “Anti-Trump”, I’m Anti-Lies, Anti-Stupidity, Anti-Fraud, etc.
Are the Democrats blame-free? No, and certainly not the Clintons. But even they are minor-league players compared to the Republicans. Take Bush’s deception about “weapons of mass destruction” in Irak, followed by a completely bungled mission to rebuild it. Take Bush’s tax cuts for the rich so that the money may “trickle down” to everyone - a nice image, but shown to be completely false, and it didn’t stimulate the economy as tax cuts for the poor or middle classes would have done, it just made the rich richer.
“Good for business”? Have you compared the timeline of the US economy with who was in charge when? Economic policy takes 6-18 months before it starts having an effect. What you can see is that the Democrats take over when the economy goes down, they turn the ship around, it starts going up - and then the Republicans take over, move money to the rich, and the economy starts going down again … and then the Democrats can clean up the mess.
So who has more “business acumen”? The ones turning the ship around when times are bad, or the ones who have an easy job and bungle it.
And make no mistake - whoever inherits the mess that Trump made is in for a hell of a job.
And if you wonder why share prices are rocketing - it has nothing to do with the economy, it has to do with the availability of humongous amounts of cheap money. Where can you put the money? You don’t earn interest on bonds or interest at the bank - which leaves investing (risky) or shares (ooh, look - they are rising!). But make no mistake, that is a bubble that WILL come crushing down.
Trump came to power promising to “drain the swamp”, pretty much in the same way that Erdogan came to power in Turkey (and I assume you follow international news too, and not just a narrow Murdoch press circle or “god” forbid those internet loonies). Instead he turned it into a cesspit - over 20,000 lies and counting, establishing a cleptocracy with corruption left, right, and center, forcing good people (lauded by both Republicans and Democrats) out and putting his henchmen in positions of power, stokes divisions, Neo-Nazis are “fine people” but protesters against racism need to be “put down”, Putin clearly has a hold over him etc. Just read this thread to see some of the revolting and sometimes illegal things he says or does.
And I do presume you heard the “trial balloon” that Roger Stone let go? That Trump should send in the troops if he looses the election and take power by force? What was most telling was how little commotion that caused among Republicans … the armed so-called “Defenders of Democracy”, bashing everyone with a Constitution that they don’t seem to have read even once.
I don’t know where you are coming from, but I come from a country that was Nazi-Germany once - and we heard a LOT about what happened and why. If you can’t see the signs in the US, Britain, Hungary, Brazil, Turkey etc then you do not want to see, and as they say “you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink”.
P.S. It is also a logical fallacy to defend or even justify one’s bad behaviour by pointing to others and saying “they are not doing everything right either”. You have to judge Trump on his performance, and by any objective measurement he is not only unsuited to the Presidency, but a danger to the American people and society.
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It will be interesting to see how much of it will be conspiracy theories.
Of course there is some corruption on all sides… and there will always be some… Money and power have always been and will always be corrupting influences.
That said only democrats at the policy level are not anti-science. Democrats don’t go around telling people not to wear masks and hold huge rallies with no social distancing during a global pandemic for political advantage.
Democrats have not been dismaying all the norms that has kept our government functioning and help preserve democracy.
They don’t go around storing up hatred of various groups as policy to help them themselves politically as a rule…
They don’t go around spreading while conspiracy theories which have no basis in fact against because it might help them…
Yes there is corruption on both sides, but the one who’s only and over-aching philosophy of government, is cynical is is anti-intellectualism and doing whatever it takes no matter how bad it is for society and keeping teh country together t hold onto power.
One hint… On the whole, it’s not the Democratic Party.
BTW I am a natural born citizen and still a resident of the USA… And what Trump and the republicans are doing to this country scares the heck out of me… and I am close to retirement.
Trump is not the problem, only a symptom… but one that is a perfectly distilled representation of what the modern republican part has become.
-Karen
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Mine are generally NOT US based and so are quite “agnostic” when it some to US politics as none have an ax to grind, skin in the game or ANY other metaphor you want to use
That cant be said for most US based sources
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Btw as for the UK and the current attempt by Boris to break his own signed international treaty: http://duma.gov.ru/news/48045
Putin’s changes to the Russian constitution from April this year. The change to article 79 which replaces the primacy of International law with absolute primacy of local law. There are a couple of supporting changes elsewhere to other articles.
Seems Cummings is taking advice (or maybe even instructions) from Trump’s buddy.
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Maybe it would be more helpful to teach Roman History in the US than just teaching American History of the recent 250 years or looking Starwars. Then the People could see all the warning signs of recent decades when a rule- and law-based Republic turns into a failed state, inoped to protect its own people and where the only option to stay healthy is to have riches or to start believing and following mighty leaders.
The pity with facism and dictators is: At the beginning everything shines and offers more glory, justice, greatness whatever… the downside always is… the truth will come out, sooner or later…
And with the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, tRump will have another Supreme Court opening to fill. Since his stated intention is to nominate a pro-life conservative, and the Senate majority Leader has already said the Senate will hold a confirmation vote, the issue of Women’s Rights and Reproductive Rights is almost certainly at risk.
What’s really scary is listening to people who lived through the 1930s in Germany compare what went on there with what is going on here. The similarities are frightening.
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What I found most disconcerting was when Roger Stone launched his “trial ballon” and floated the idea of Trump refusing to cede power and taking it by force. That wasn’t a slip of tongue or the ravings of a mad man, that was very deliberate. To gauge the mood. And the disconcerting part of it was how little resistance to the idea was voiced by the so-called “defenders of freedom and the american way”, the republican voters.
There is a battle of ideologies going on in which the republicans have shown themselves as having no morals, no scruples, no convictions, and no decency. In short: no honour.
And the UK (as usual) is following not far behind …
Their only guiding principle seems to be : remain in power - whatever it takes
Fitting. Just out in the Guardian:
OK anyone who is surprised PLEASE raise your hand !
Using this to qualify people who kill humans is… absurd.
The so-called pro-life kill doctors, they are no more pro-life than any other people. Terrorists, haters, not pro-life.