Xojo sends a clear message!

They dont know how much they need the comunity.

It seems that in their eyes you are now part of the troll community.

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Some people there did - once
Not sure they do now as they pretty much avoid the forums entirely

It seems that anyone that posts here is considered a member :slight_smile:

But then they label anyone who doesnt blow sunshine up their rears “a troll”

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Say yes to Geoff and you are golden.

Say WTF and you are a troll.

Why bother with that BS?

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It is something to say yes to it. But you’ll feel better to say not yes to something wrong and instead standing for the truths. People have to decide whether they are on the right side or not. And if they believe that he is right they will decide so. Also people believed other people and it was wrong. Open history books, they are full with people like this. That’s how the governance of the “System Xojo” works. One as the head of all tells what is true. If it is. Or not. A bit “To be or not to be” in real life.

Makes me appreciate Go and the deliberation they put in for all language changes. Just read a blog post where they had contemplated better error handling for years and decided that because a) what they have works and b) no one idea could gather sufficient traction, that they were just going to hold for now. Plus, they have the version 1 guarantee that says anything written in version 1 won’t get broken in a version 1 update.

But then Google probably has dozens of developers working only on Go and then have contributions for thousands more. Xojo has 6 (probably more like 4) developers and then 6 or 7 MVP’s and that’s it. Of course they’re going to make silly decisions because there’s not enough of them with enough experience and no one that can/will say not El Presidente. And we know they don’t give a rats ass about backwards compatibility, or QA, or Unit Tests, or what pro developers need.

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After nearly three decades of Java…yes, I know this feeling. It is more than only a language. It is an entire ecosystem we are writing our Software with. And not only the language and compiler are from interest but also the stuffs around. And the IDE. GoLand, IntelliJ, RustRover, CLion to mention only the ones from Jetbrains (I prefere them, yes). And from that position we are looking on Xojo. FanBoys are looking on Xojo with the knowledge only of Xojo. They can’t see their own horrible situation.

it’s interesting to wonder what the current generations of AI may mean for the evolution of ordering machines around.
maybe modern tools and languages are mere moments away from being irrelevant.
what if we are moments away from writing machine code, directly, from a prompt?
will there be another language, soon, that will displace english as the dominant language, because it makes communication with ai agents more efficient?

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This if possible. But at the end: humans deciding which language they want to speak. Chineese, english, german what ever. The AI can translate that without any problem. You’ll find brilliant translation AI’s. So I guess: not the spoken language is the point but the intermediate language AI by self uses. And there would be a complex model be needed.

What I can say is: languages with a small userbase and a small team behind will not become the new master languages. I can’t see that Xojo will be more in use than Python, C, C++, RUST, Java, C#, GO and and and. There is a too small userbase. So: what ever we will see in future: it will not be the one and only.

Having been working heavily trying to get AI to do Xojo, I can tell you it’s a real nightmare. Just like the real world, it gets confused as hell and tripped up between API 1 and API 2. Don’t you dare try and do anything with a socket.

In many cases, the AI will get so lost in its underwear that It starts pumping out VB code.

( Oddly, AI does a bang-up job of coding in COBOL.)

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It does also for Java, GO, C#, C++ and many others a real good JOB!

I have been trying to work with sockets on Windows and Linux with Xojo. Lets just say this area has a large amount of room-for-improvement.

Compared to Java or C#: yes Sir. Much. But they will not change this. Why ever: this is what it is. And it will be so in future.