Like I said those who took offence seemed to do so without much consideration of other possible factors
Be insulted because you THINK heās saying you dont contribute to the company (which ISNT what was said at all)
React based on that
And continue to BE insulted even when he DID clarify
Cut the guy a tiny bit of slack
Say something like
Everyone here contributes in different ways
move on
I think I understand what youāre trying to say
Iām just disappointed that the first reaction is, or seemed to be, to be offended
And then continue to react based on that first, possibly wrong, impression of what was being said
I get what you mean. I.e. here in the German-speaking part of Switzerland a waitress is called āServiertochterā. āServierā its the noun related to the verb āservierenā (to serveā¦meals) and Tochter means daughter. It is an old expression and applies even when the lady doing the job does not belong to the restaurant ownerās family.
Iād like to note that Danaās moderation was adequate this time. Only when her talented co-moderator stomped in, raising the level of aggression, things went awry. In her explanation why the thread was closed can be found: āā¦or other members of the forumā.
P.S. The co-moderatorās aggression show could also be staged in order to get the thread closed.
Well, perhaps weāre not discussing about the same part of the sentence, in regard to what was considered ārudeā.
One could consider either the part about not contributing to the company, while someone else may rather consider the words used (āsisterā and ādaughtersā as being āmockeriesā). While I get that both could be considered hard, the latter seems to have been subject to apologises from the poster; not the latter. Hence my thinking about the issue being the language used.
Itās entirely possible Iām wrong, of course.
Possibly that the language used later wouldnāt have been taken bad if the first reaction has been otherwise in the first place. I, for one, would still have taken āsisterā and ādaughterā as being a kind of sad mockery, regardless of the previous posts.
Hehe, we are not so far
In the french part of Switzerland, we learn āhigh germanā (I guess we can translate āhochdeutschā that way in english ) in school. I actually canāt understand the swiss-German language, beside my german being ācorrectā. Those are unexpectedly spoken very differently.
Just donāt call a waitress āServiertochterā when you are in a restaurant. It is a colloquial term people familiar with each other use, not a term non-locals should employ
I am a German national and learned understanding Swiss German here. There is a significant difference between the Bernese dialect and dialects spoken in other parts of Switzerland like ZĆ¼rich or Basel. People who learned regular (high German) are lost at first contact with people speaking dialect. I made the same experience when living in France. Understanding people from southern France took me a while and I took great pleasure in learning all the specifics of a language.
I knew it wasnāt the kind of thread that Xojo would want frequently appearing at the top of the forum, so the locking of it and then its disappearance was inevitable. They just needed a reason to do it.
Edit: Itās back up!
I love Anthonyās comment when talking about Geoff, Dana and Alyssa āThe three are in no way related and Dana and Alyssa contribute greatly to Xojo.ā What about Geoff?
Mac always was for Xojo the primary platform, with Windows and Web secondary and Linux clearly last one in terms of love, details, performance and stability.
It seems to me Xojo is degrading on its primary platform when Jeffery is calling for more attention.
Maybe Anthony āthe moderator from hellā G. Cyphers got punished for this big oversight?
From Twitter:
And who knows, we might see on TOF some pros back, emerging from their hiding places after years of terror and closing posts if what was said didnāt suit himā¦ [wishful thinking]
Xojoās problem isnāt an untrained and unpaid moderator. Once they get serious in addressing the many issues that plagues the product, they may see a higher level of participation. As long a Xojo is managed along the lines of āI report to no oneā I donāt see this happen.
Iām solely judging his behavior on TOF and am unaware of his personal struggles for which I wish him all the best too. Maybe they were partly responsible for his bullying/anger towards certain people on TOF? (speculation)
Iāve see (to) many people changing personality because of e.g. having a burnout by taking on to much and started to act completely out of character.
in my eyes MVP is anyhow not from interest. They rule the own people. It is a bit likethe old aristocracy, it goes on to rule and divide. And if the people have no bread to eat, please eat cake. Maria Antoinette can speak about where that ended for her.
But every community requires moderators, and it is a thankless yet time-consuming job where pleasing everyone is impossible.
Interestingly and illogically, the Greens donāt allow anyone to assist them, but a select few are permitted to handle the forumās dirty work for free. In my opinion, this arrangement isnāt necessarily fair.
It would likely be more beneficial if they could receive help with the coding and simply manage the forum themselves.
