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Xojo washes whiter than white.
As @Jeannot wrote, titles are smoke and mirrors. They don’t say anything about a person’s capabilities other than having been able to get the title.
Abuse of titles draws attention. I hope someone at Xojo has the guts telling marketing that they must stop covering communications in bullshit.

Ah had no idea architect is a professional society
Pretty sure its not here so calling ones self an software architect is OK
But “software engineer” is protected - as is any use of the term engineer

That is certainly not true in my field. I’m a chemist and while equipment and techniques have changed, the basic principles I learned still forms the basis of interpreting and more fully understanding data and designing experiments …

Unless one is a genius, gaining that level of understanding that broadly experientially is highly unlikely!

I don’t know if that holds true in IT… certainly it has not for the software development I have managed to do, but I don’t do anything very sophisticated.

-Karen

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When I was young, back in the Pleistocene, I applied for what turned out to be a “boiler room” job (I wound up passing on it.) As a phone worker, my title was to have been “public relations director.” :smiley:

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Certainly titles have been used to embellish a job
A sanitation engineer, seriously posted at some points in time, was what we’d call a garbage man
:slight_smile:

But certain “titles” are protected, in many ways like Kleenex was, and if these societies dont take actions to protect them, which they are here, the title becomes meaningless.

In Germany it is an academical degree and so protected by Law, yes. We have also officially the architect chamber and only people listed there are allowed to call themself “Architekt”. Yes, it is a protected word.

IT is based massively on mathematics so people with a deep understanding of mathematics will have a good entrance. But. fundamental technics are teached in that studies. And they will be missed if somebody has not studied mathematics or Software engineering.

When I tried with people studied other Jobs I got always the problem that I had no success to integrate them into the development process. And yes, it is more complex but the people can’t see that behind. When we write in different languages we do it like speaking Italian, French and German. And it works. While the people did their homework and studied that completely. I did never met any hobbyist came to that perfection.

This is true. My science education is the toolset I use in various contexts (analysing problems and solving them).
What is also true is that a degree doesn’t tell how capable the person is of making effective use of this knowledge in real world settings.

While not bad at analysing and solving business problems, I regularly experience the shortcomings due to a lack of formal IT education, when devising solutions.

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Learn something new every day !

EDIT : and so I went looking and there is a registered professional society here in Alberta for Architects
So it may be a protected title as well here like Engineer

Example of one of the chambers: the one of NRW

https://www.aknw.de

‘So long architect!’ - very last sentence in ‘The Towering Inferno’

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There are quite a few organization which have protected titles in Alberta:

Professional Engineers
Professional Chemists
Professional Biologists
Professional Agrologists
Engineering Technology Professionals
Accountants
Audiologists
Architects
Acupuncturists
Chiropractors
Dental Assistants
Dental Hygienists
Dental Technologists
Dentists
Denturists
Dietitians
Doctors
Forest Technologists
Geoscientists
Hearing Aid Practitioners
Home Economists
Human Ecologists
Laboratory Technologists
Land Surveyors
Lawyers
Licensed Practical Nurses
Medical Diagnostic Technologists
Medical Laboratory Technologists
Medical Therapeutic Technologists
Midwives
Naturopaths
Occupational Therapists
Optitians
Optometrists
Paramedics
Pharmacists
Physiotherapists
Podiatric Doctors
Professional Foresters
Professional Planners
Psychiatric Nurses
Psychologists
Real Estate Agents and Brokers
Registered Nurses
Respiratory Therapists
Science Technologists and Technicians
Social Workers
Speech Language Pathologists
Therapeutic Technologists
Veterinarians
Veterinary Technolgists
X-Ray Technologists

I think thats about it… :slight_smile:

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Nice list. I think it is about the same in any industrial country.

Btw. anyone could style themselves ‘Genius’ in Alberta?

That’s a cool list for SEO of ifnotnil.com :slight_smile:

Uh so like “Norm; Software Genius” ?
That just sounds far too pretentious :stuck_out_tongue:

Cool list
Never bothered to look it up
The Engineer one I knew for sure as when I worked in Calgary one of the fellows I worked with sat on the APEGGA Engineering accreditation committee (I think that was its title)
And one of the things they were trying to define was the standards for certification and accreditation as a “Software Engineer”
This was not too long after MS and Sun had been forced to rename their certifications from “Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer” and “Sun Java Engineer” since they had no legal basis to grant the title of “Engineer”
Many jurisdictions in Canada took such action

A quick search didnt find the Alberta one but it was about the same time for many of the same reasons

And one reason I knew specifically that I cannot call myself a Software Engineer, nor could I qualify to, since I cant be a member of APEGGA :frowning:

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well we’ve missed long ago the topic already but…

I count myself to a generation where in university nobody mentioned or wanted to be called by his title, even those ones with the longest one…uhm… title of course. The more somebody insisted to his title, the less he/she had to say. Think about…

Ex-MCSD (Microsoft Certified Software Developer)

I think we are speaking in different directions: what we say is: define a title for people so that there is conformity to the legal borders. And beside that: I am also not presenting all titles here of in other situations. No need for that. Makes no sense. But for the regulatory site it is needed definitely.

I was there! My two little girls were in the hallway on MacBooks while I attended. They’re both in college now. After the conference I took them to Orlando. For me, it truly was the best of times.