Web Framework 2.0 Discussion

Personally I never had a need for windows interops in the Xojo projects I developed in the past. I could achieve what had to be done. Of course that is just my case and probably others really really need it for what they do.

From what I have been reading and learning the one thing that really needs interops ASAP is Xojo for IOS.

In the past cuple of months I had been wondering about DaveS dislike (to say it kindly) for Xojo’s IOS and I always thought: He is a smart guy, he should be able to make it work, wonder why he is complaining about. Now I understand his frustration.

Sadly iOS is a case of “shoulda coulda woulda” “best laid plans of mice and men” or whatever other term you want to stick on it
Except for all the constraints that Xojo had/has

One thing I noticed is that Interops as a general case for ios/desktop/etc is missing from that list and its just interops IOS listed without mentioned of the desktop platforms :frowning:

I think interops will be an android IOS thing only.

When IOS is done mac shouldn’t be that far off should it?

But windows and Linux?

I tend to think this will be the case which is a way is too bad because interops were once supposed to “replace the need for declares”

But given certain API’s and the ambiguity around the data types it may not be practical

Out of topic, well more out of topic since I have not mentioned web 2.0 in a few posts.

Yesterday I spent most of the day reading your blog. Really good stuff in there, perhaps one day you will turn it into an e-book. It reminded me about this book which is one of the few things I manage to keep after my divorce LOL

This book was really good bed time reading.

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I have that one as well
And the REALbasic TDG second edition since my name is cited in there :slight_smile:

Ramblings is a fantastic book!

Heh where’s @HalGumbert to write a comment on a post when you need him ?
https://forum.xojo.com/59878-new-video-xojo-web-easier-than-php-paul-budd

I’m sure he has comments about this topic :stuck_out_tongue:

I was at Pauls’s session. It was interesting. I’m all about spending time to create a framework to save time later. My goal is to be able to add controls and move on rather than brute force coding.

Paul mentioned Xanadu and thought it was too complex, which I get. His approach was more direct.

A huge benefit of of Xojo is that you can make a new project, toss on a field and it just works to allow for data entry. But Xojo falls down when connecting that field to a database without a bunch of work to manage, record searching, select, insert, update, delete.

Which I think is the reason for the “Easier Database Connectivity” item in the road map

And while something like Active Record works up to a point if you have to deal with large data sets theres not usually a way to accommodate raw results. This is something Apple’s legacy EOF framework let you deal with and the entire WebObjects tool chain did very well.
Its still very actively developed & used as far as I know https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Home

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This one?

thats the one

Now I’m thinking September…

I have to confess that I truly have no idea
There’s a very long list of stuff being reported still but thats never stopped them from shipping before
And I suspect at some point they’ll need to ship come hell or high water and hopefully enjoy a bump from a new version shipping

Lord knows

for me, I just learned over time to stop waiting for new versions to come and use what is released today.

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And I go the inverse way, can’t have the luxury of destroying databases, data, writing wrong reports, sending spaceships towards the sun instead of moon, etc. Not an early adopter of nothing. I need the stable ones.

I am sorry, I do not understand this statement.

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So you go the same way as rich

I think he’s being sarcastic ?
Along the lines of “Blindly use the very latest version and YOU TOO can enjoy random bugs, database destroying glitches and other unexplained behaviour”

:man_shrugging:

wasn’t being sarcastic, my dyslexic mind didnt understand his statement. The way norm phrased it, I understand now. :slight_smile: