Thank you to everyone who replied,
I am on Australian time, so apologies if my replies have been delayed by my time zone.
To recap, Vaadin has 4 subscription tiers each with additional layers of functionality (Free, Pro, Prime and Ultimate).
I have requested pricing for the “Prime” tier for reference as it allows for unlimited Collaboration Kit users.
Vaadin reveal pricing for the Free and Pro tiers but on request only for the Prime and Ultimate tiers.
If a developer chose to use the pre-built Collaboration Kit, the Free and Pro tiers are limited to 50 Collaboration Kit users. The Prime and Ultimate Tiers feature unlimited Collaboration Kit users.
@thorstenstueker is correct:
- most/very many projects can be managed on the free tier.
- the Pro tier has compelling features, including additional UI components and a visual designer that for Xojo Web users would make the development experience more familiar.
- developers do not need to use Collaboration Kit - they can easily code their own chat/document collaboration solutions.
I was merely wondering if the price difference from Pro to Prime offset the effort of additional coding versus using a pre-built component - which in the end is subjective for each developer.
For the sake of comparison on the basis of “getting started” toolset upfront costs:
Xojo Web $399 + Graffiti Suite $399 + LifeBoat $129 = $927 my minimum (and you’ll likely need something from Monkey Bread, say $500+) ~ $1500.
Vaadin Flow Web: (on a budget)
Free $0 + Intellij Idea Ultimate (from $85-$169) so under $200.
Vaadin Flow Web: (on Pro with Visual Designer)
Pro $1668 + Intellij Idea Ultimate (All Products Pack) because you might want some data wrangling tools as well ($148-$289) but say $1957 (which also includes 5 hours of Vaadins help, so in reality the tools are close to $1457).
For scalability, reliability, help resources (including consulting hours), no question Vaadin wins. Intellij is a winner hands down.
Even a premium version of everything for Vaadin is cheaper per annum than what I have paid on occasion for Xojo Web.
It should also be said, that even after a few days, you kinda find you don’t need the designer in Vaadin as the layout concepts are easy enough in code. The designer is efficient as it creates controls and variables in code, and let’s you imagine your UI, but business UI’s don’t vary so much you can’t easily imagine them in a a code sense. But the visual designer folds nicely into Intellij, which is a joy to use.
Kind regards, Andrew