I’m willing to believe people ARE posting their views in good faith
Not JUST to be provocative
And here on INN topics range ALL over the place
I’m willing to permit that as well
What I DONT want is for things to turn into a flame war where I have to lock threads
That would really be counter to the ethos that exists
That’s not an accurate representation of British society. Rape convictions are low because in UK law the burden of proof is high and often victims are too traumatized to report an assault immediately which means by the time they do there are no forensics. It’s a hard crime to prosecute unless there’s cctv and/or forensics. It’s not because it’s a society that’s willing to tolerate such behaviour.
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Actually it’s more to do with a video that went viral in the UK that purported to show a nasty, racist, white boy bullying a Syrian refugee. Tommy Robinson contradicted that narrative on social media and once again became a target of the authorities. In his movie he goes to the school where the incident took place and talks to other pupils, parents, staff, governor, etc…
So we have alternative narratives, the official one - nasty, racist, white bully
Tommy Robinson’s alternative, that we’re not allowed to repeat in the UK
And a now banned ( in the UK ) movie, Silenced, which makes one seem more likely than the other
British society is not alone here - its not radically different here
The legal burden of proof is one aspect
And there is stigma associated with being a victim
Add in the additional trauma of having to go to court & recount the event AND then being cross examined
The trauma may be more than many victims care to take on and experience over & over
Its a crime that should be prosecuted more but often isnt for a host of reasons
That any of the “blame the victim” type stigma exists is disappointing
If it’s the video I can easily find posted it seems pretty clear that there was definitely an altercation.The basis of it I dont know.
There’s no audio to indicate that the kid who was the aggressor used any racial slurs towards the victim
So whether he is, or isnt racist I cant judge
There doesnt seem to me to it than they had some disagreement that the one used physical force to settle things
Seems to be a school yard fight and not a racist attack
Still doesnt make that kind of attack right - regardless of the reasons
Nor using it for political purposes by anyone
The reports I read for various UK media seemed pretty balanced and unbiased
All this said I dont know what Tommy Robinsons video said
But whats the chances it was a lot more political rhetoric than anything ?
Something like the right wing claim in the USA that X silenced conservative posts (which they never could substantiate) ?
Willing to admit I was unintentionally vague. Explaining what can seem like effectively encouragement can be verbose. I will try.
If the laws of the UK are not helpful, it’s contributing to an environment where the actions appear to be encouraged. For all the reasons you said. If change isn’t happening, the actions are tolerated, even if it’s only de-facto toleration.
This may also be my unavoidably US centric point of view. Rape convictions are hard here too because, “boys will be boys,” “you don’t wanna destroy a person’s life for one or more mistakes,” various reasons why one can never believe a victim, or even “men can’t be raped because they want it” which pairs with “if she didn’t really want it she wouldn’t have gotten pregnant”
Which leads to similar outcomes even if the reasons are different. Rape here has a low likelihood of consequences, and when those consequences come, usually an apology avoids most of them. And even though most will view rape as abhorrent – as it should be – it gets muddied in the actual process and leads to an environment where it is tolerated and encouraged. Although, here, there’s many places where it’s outright encouraged too.
tldr: I should have been more specific, and used environment instead of society.
Indeed the environment can in and of itself be an impediment to more charges & convictions
Fair would be if EU would invent tarrifs for software services, cloud services and so on. So american economy would have to pay for their exports of Software and Cloud services. Would be really nice cause that would open chances for european software vendors to make business which is now dominated by american companies. If trump says 50% Eu could say: digital: 50% and trump would see: it is the same amount on both sides. But..will never be happened. Sadly.
And why? While they don’t want to fulfill the rules of EU. That’s not working. EU has rules. LIKE USA. But the tech companies believung they don’t have to fit to the standards
Absolutely
If US firms want to do business in the EU they should follow EU law OR suffer the consequences
No different than if a US citizen went to the EU and broke the law
They’d be tossed in an EU jail after suitable due process
European companies doing business in the USA must comply to US law, regarding their activities on US soil. The same applies here in Europe.
Let me say it so: to be allowed to sell our products in america we need to fulfill the regulations of the FDA. There is no way around. So we need to do all laboratory testings with underwriters laboratories which are the partners for the Ansoi standards. We have all this tests, made by certified labs in europe. Not good enough, has to be underwriters laboratory. So why should europe do it the other way around. We have to do every step needed to sell in USA. They have to do everything to sell in EU. Simple.
They’re penalised for being too successful, they meet the EU’s “gatekeeper” criteria because Europe doesn’t have any real contenders.
It seems you have no Idea why this was happened? We have rules. Has nothing to do with having contenders or not. It has to do with the laws we have in europe. And even american vendors have to realize that this laws are made for everybody. Not for european citizen only. And yes, they deserved what was coming up. It is not penalty while they are successful. It is a penalty while they are not interested to act following the laws.
We sell also to america. We need also to realize all products following the standards. Not while they are better or not. While this standards are the stadards for example the FDA wants to see. The same we have with medical devices from USA. They can’t sell with the argument we are FDA approved in europe. We can’t sell in america while saying we are in europe approved.
Laws are standards all people have to follow. Even if american people believe they not.
And are probably large enough to pose a significant barrier to contenders even arising because they are monopolistic ?
Laws can be challenged in court, here in Europe. As long as the laws exist, they shall be respected. That’s the same in all rule-based democracies.
Do not forget: in america is law what their president says. That they have together with China and russia. So the big three - the yellow one sees himself in this club. And so people meaning that they can decide what europe is allowed to do and what not.
And yes, Norman is right. Monopolistic structures are the problem we all allowed to grow. Starting with Microsoft, Apple, Google. Also Amazon is monopolistic. But they get catched by Shein and Temu from China. What shall I say. All of them have to follow the laws. Otherwise the courts speaking out what has to come next. And that’s what was happened o them. I can’t understand why people are believng that Apple for example should not be treated through the european digital market act. I think: thex have to. It is dangerous latting them act like they want to.
