Is Xojo on a downwards trend?

Only 24 Issues assign in a year and only 10 closed within a year. Looks like a 10 hrs per month contract…

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It might not be accurate to try & count just those that remain assigned to him
I think that when he completes them they get reassigned to someone else like Geoff
I’ve seen that occur

In their eyes we are all trolls. Nothing else. Only trolls.

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It’s because we go against the message they want to portray, often with evidence that makes 'em look like they actually are.

In one post about reading files in the resources folder, I manage to point out Xojo bugs, Xojo dumb-ass policies and that Xojo may not be conforming to platform guidelines.

In another thread, it’s is obvious that Xojo still doesn’t care about doing things right, because a fundamental option for the Popover appears to be missing.

So they can hire someone to go around social media crowing about Xojo, but ultimately they’re going to continue alienating customers because fundamentally the company and product is broken.

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Wow , such a parallel path. I took the golang route myself , if golang had a gui ide I think Xojo would die overnight.

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I was forced into using Go with the current job. I struggled with it early on but now I really like the language. I’ve been keeping an eye on Wails since it allows you to use any number of GUI front ends (React, Vue, Svelte) with a Go backend. Version 3 is in late alpha stage now and lets you create desktop apps for Mac, Windows, and now Linux. No plans for mobile at this point.

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For someone new and looking for low code option, this thread clearly says to stay away from Xojo. Is Xojo worth for web application dev, and scalability seems to be an issue by the looks of it. I am looking at options and almost decided on Xojo but reading a lot of negative comments. What is a similar alternative with a IDE interface and basic language that Xojo offers. I did looked at the the hundreds of plugins you need and pay for to make the app anywhere near the professional mark, that too requires a significant learning curve. So my question is where to go next?

I would recommend Delphi and UniGui components for a similar RAD feel to building a web app. As you already pointed out there is a significant learning curve and cost to a new toolkit.
There may be many other comparable options. Delphi and UniGui is what I use and am familiar with.

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Thank you. UniGui actually looks impressive. I was trialing script case for CRUD, but looks like Scriptcase won’t scale much. I will read more about UniGui, looks promising, although I didn’t see much of modern sleek designs in their mobile examples, everything looks like dated windows like GUI but I may be wrong. Thanks again.

Actually Xojo is not low code by any standards. It is a RAD tool for building apps. But then there are many others in the market especially if you are using Windows, but on the Mac side there are very few.

If you are looking at Delphi then this is an inspiring video of a cross platform product built in Delphi.

Also check this B4J based web app building solution.
https://mbanga-anele.medium.com/lets-create-a-project-management-webapp-using-vue-low-code-with-vuetify-2c3e010a0583
https://mbanga-anele.medium.com/low-code-vue-webapps-with-bananovuetifyad3-6f27f18e1cd9

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This hasn’t stopped Xojo marketing from using the term, to be buzzword-compliant. :slight_smile:

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They do have several themes that can be applied to desktop and mobile. They are a limited set but they do look better than the native Windows look. Personally for mobile I prefer the Triton theme and for desktop the Aria theme.

Thank you. It looks great and seems robust.

I came across some sample components, you are right. I noticed that Delphi RAD needs to be installed for Unigui to work, is that right? . I’m curious if the community edition for Embarcadero RAD is sufficient or if we need to purchase a license for Embarcadero RAD in addition to the Unigui license. I understand that Unigui is a framework. Thank you in advance.

there are several options for Java based web apps as well
where’s @thorstenstueker ?
I know there are several he uses (no idea about pricing etc BUT he earns his living from this sort of thing so the cost may not be an issue for him)
I know you can write web apps using NetBeans or IntelliJ and there are drag & drop IDE editors for them as far as I can recall
What I do NOT know is how to deploy such a web app written in them

Perhaps we could convince someone to create a HOW TO tutorial for this ?

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Yes you would need to have Delphi installed first and then install the UniGui components (or any components for that matter) into the installed Delphi on your system.

The community edition is feature compatible with the Professional edition and should be able to do everything you need. I have had the Professional version for ages. The significant difference between community and professional that I’m aware of is that usage of the community edition has a limitation on what your sales can be before you need to upgrade to professional.

In another thread there is a discussion about changes to the dev tools especially Xojo breaking old projects. Delphi has been around for 29 years and there have been very few changes made to it which break old code. While they continue to include new functionality they do an excellent job of maintaining backwards compatibility. Even the major component vendors do a very good job from release to release.

I’d highly suggest not using Xojo. It’s just an unstable platform as you never know what management will do.

Web 1.0 apps were killed off and replaced by Web 2.0 which was completely different. And there’s no conversion other than manually find / replacing from what I read. I stopped using Xojo around when Web 1.0 was kicked to the curb.

Also Xojo did the API 1.0 to API 2.0 without much coversation with the community. I asked Geoff for a conversion mapping document to understand where all the differences were. He said they didn’t have that which seemed insane to me. I expected something to show what was renamed to what and which functions were changed to be 0 based indexes.

Xojo doesn’t even partispate in their own forums much at all.

It really feels like Xojo hates their users which makes me glad to have dropped it.

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How do they even try to enforce that sort of license ???

here I am. Yes, Java has several options. As Backserver and as Webapplication. With Vaadin you would have the best options in my eyes. With JavaFX and JPro you can build also Webapps. If I would be you, I would start wird Vaadin and build the application. There are tons of tutorials online and tons of help.

My recent experience of it suggests otherwise. Online code resources are out of date and contradictory. Nearly every ‘how to’ question gets 1 answer followed by 5 ‘nobody does it that way any more’ arguments.