I have no idea. Maybe the honor system? The community edition is only about a year old. Prior to that you downloaded a trial version that was good for x number of days and then had to make a decision to purchase a license.
The ânobody does it that way anymoreâ doesnât mean that the old functions wonât work.
I certainly donât code with many of the same functions that I did 10 years ago. I evolve and use the newer capabilities of each release when they make sense to switch. That doesnât mean the old code wonât work if I wanted to stick with it.
Probably the biggest breaking change was many years ago when they switched strings from ASCII to Unicode. Even with that the ASCII versions of string functions had a new comparable Unicode library to switch to. Then it was at least 2 or 3 releases before everything under the covers was switched to Unicode by default. AND for those few years before the switch they kept telling everyone that it was going to happen. They didnât pull the rug out from under anyone without any notice.
Yes Iâve tried Vaadin & rather liked it
Sadly could not convince client to look seriously at it 
Iâm not working in Java at this time
I am working every day with java as main language and runtime
I was able to install unigui and it looks promising for business applications, donât know yet much about deployment and scalability. Will read more, but thanks for the leads
I will check vaadin, I am not a programmer though I have fair understanding so my preference is a low code platform, I donât think I have the time to write code from scratch.
I love the xojo language but itâs a shame they arenât utilising that to make something robust.
Lianja is the other one but itâs expensive.
Has anyone heard if pcsoft webdev, it appears too flashy though with models on their catalogue lol donât know if does the work, it isnât cheap
Thanks for all your feedback
Vaadin is everything but not NoCode or LowCode. Xojo is also not. The Java Language is reliable and it is cheap. You could develop your Vaadin App with the vaadin open Source Tree for example for free. Also JavaFX you can develop for free, all the others also. Even the IDE like Netbeans, IntelliJIdea CE and Eclipse are available for free. The low code and no code platforms are mostly expensive and extremely restricted in their functionality. So you may need to decide what you exactly need and decide then. Cause I was trying several low- and no-code platforms but the success was more than limited. The problem is: also they are costing much time and if you run into a no functionality for it available situation your project ends up at exactly this point. I would think about it.
I know that learning is hard but you get much for it.
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B4X etc might be a good alternative for you. Downside is that the IDE is Windows only âŠ
I will check B4X, thanks, how about live code, has any used used it for web development?
Ask alwaysbusy for that heâs here in this forum. Banano web is his library for b4j
Yes you are correct.
You will have to purchase Delphi RAD as well as pay for UniGUI.
As an alternative check out TMS WebCode for VS Code. It will probably work on all the platforms where VS Code runs. And the best part it you will only have to pay for one item.
Check out Lowcoder. It is opensource and one can easily self host it.
If you want to try it without installing then use this link.
https://app.lowcoder.cloud/user/auth/login
Create you free account and use it.
If you are planning to create dynamic web sites then check out Plasmic or WebStudio.
I used LiveCode once, I actually got a NFR copy to use to write a review for publications. After a couple of weeks, I had to decline, because it I didnât feel I could give it a fair review due to itâs many limitations (it made Xojo look like a better choice).
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Thanks mate, I got this reply from uniqui, they say it works on community edition, the question is when they stop the community in future, then I am screwed unless I fork out 5k in licensing.
Hello,
I donât know about the others, but it will work on the Community Edition.
But in any case, you should look again at the restrictions and policies for using the Community Edition!
Thanks I installed and didnât find livecode any better, you are right Xojo looks better than that.
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Going back to the original thread on Xojo, is the view on Xojo going downwards primarily for web apps or is that the same case for desktop builds - macOS and Windows?
Xojo for sure is not there with web and mobile dev but the desktop apps looks like are something they can get away with? and is that Xojoâs core just that they follow the trend and tried web which is not their domain.
do you think for desktop apps its still a viable option? or the same issues with web flow into desktop. I know it will still need a lot of plugins for any decent application to be made with Xojo
So where I am going is
Xojo for desktop
php framework for web
connect them both to shared DB - desktop serves backend users and php based web app serves customers
does that sound a horrible idea?
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Right now there is a real miss mash of things in their frameworks
Youâll find lots of old code samples on the web that probably use the OLD controls
They recently renamed all the controls & events which has caused a lot of confusion
Desktop is probably the MOST viable of their supported targets
Which isnt saying a lot as there are a number of issues there still
Workable yes
Just a lot of work because you cant easily share code between the two apps
I use Xojo 2019 for desktop
Xojo 2018 for some Web 1.0
B4J for all the WebServices Backend
makes sense and may suit your needs,
I was impressed with uniqui for web as suggested by @mbierly but its dependency on EM RAD scares me, what if the community edition goes off the shelf, EM RAD licensing isnât cheap.
I am now looking at lowcoder for web as suggested by @YogiYang. I read it is open source and still trying to understand if I can install it on my machine and whether the self hosting thing works on a dedicated server, I am based in Australia and customers here prefer their data to reside locally so I am not much looking for their public/private hosted options with lowcoder which seem to be UK based
Considering Xojo for desktop but will take the feedback from you all before making that decision.
Delphi Professional would be the minimum version you would need for UniGui. I think it is about $1500/USD to purchase a new license and the yearly support subscription which also gets you the new versions is about $400/year USD after that initial year.
I agree the initial purchase price is fairly steep. If this is for a business I donât feel that the ongoing $400/yr support subscription is unreasonable depending on the situation.
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And the Community edition has to be reinstalled & license renewed every year and based on my experience one cannot install two community editions on same PC so to reinstall one will have to uninstall existing one and then install new one.
This in turn leads to the cycle of reinstalling all the VCLs again in the newly installed instance.
All you have to do to install locally on your PC is to install Docker and then ask docker to setup Lowcoderâs container with local database integrated or with database container separately.
The same technique works on dedicated servers. We host it on our VPS and use it.
Always depends what you want to do. You can use Kotlin Multiplatform and cover Mobile, Desktop and Web Applications and that in one IDE with one Code. With Kotlin. For extremely expensive looking ,- $.
So you can even decide if you want native GUI on all platforms and share the logic or one GUI for all and share also the logic or share only parts of the logic. All that YOU can decide.
Much more flexible than other solutions with a native compiled Solution for all platforms and not more complex than other ways of programming