Xojo Pricing Changes

Looks like you cited the thread when it was in the General forum (that anyone can see), then it was moved to the ‘Off-Topic’ area that only logged in users can see.

I guess moved to ‘Off-Topic’ too.

So the TOF OFF-TOPIC area is reserved for those who drink the Kool-aid?

Well, I am not drinking, but I suppose it just takes having an active license. And yes, since the audience has been shrunk, the defenders are better represented. :slight_smile:

My point is that Xojo is “scared” to have newbies exposed to “the truth”

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Their strategy (pissing off pros while pricing out newcomers) will restrict the number of newbies.

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You’re right, I logged in ( I’m not banned :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: ) and now I can see them - lots of locked threads full of discontent :grimacing:

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That’s their clear method. Read the shit after you paid and not before :slight_smile:

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A true genius move :joy:

So glad I moved on from Xojo back in April 2022 (I’m sure there was a price rise back then too). I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my move to the Vala programming language! I’ve built Desktop and Web apps (web apps are using a Vala backed API and HTML/CSS/Javascript front end).

I loved the idea of Xojo, but the execution of the idea needs some work in my opinion.

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Well, the good idea got executed…

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Twinned with some gaslighting (from them) about all the shit being wrong! :rofl:

to give you an idea… last price I paid for Xojo was $50.00 (yeah, 10% of todays price)

Winning friends & influencing people one deleted thread at a time ?

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makes it hidden away from anyone until they finally get a log in and then they can see what they should have seen before

Alyssa has laid down the law now, explicitly saying that Xojo’s decision is not debatable and that is why the threads will continue to be locked as they arise.

Edit: since the logic seems so sketchy, if I were a cynic I would say that they’re desperate for short term revenue through panic renewals. If I were a cynic…

Another edit: she also added this comment well after she had already locked the thread. That’s one way to discourage replies.

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Not every decision of Xojo’s is up for public debate.

Nobody is debating it. Customers are allowed to voice their displeasure. If you don’t want to hear it, do something to satisfy them.

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Just for grins I did a blog post about this: Xojo’s New Pricing - by Bob Keeney - BKeeney Briefs

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I just read that, Bob. It’s ironic since you were once one of their evangelists. I learned much from you, and your Error Reporter code remains (credited) in my projects—updated for API2. :slight_smile:

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Never officially but I wrote a LOT about Xojo back in the day. Spoke at nearly every conference. Answered almost every consulting lead (including a shady looking Lagos, Nigeria training lead that turned out to be real - and fun). Not to mention the 200+ videos I did, and the various products I sold. And the Association of REALbasic Professionals organization. Shit - that’s a lot of promotion all for nothing. I often imagine what it would have looked like if I had gone down a different route.

It’s ironic that I’m spending nearly every day actively porting code FROM Xojo to Go and despite Go not being an object oriented language it’s actually been a pretty clean convert most days. Concurrency is SO much easier in Go even though the terminology is a bit cryptic at first. I’ve done my first project in Fyne.io (Go gui framework) and while I’m not a fan of the UI it works and gets the job done. I’m hoping to get a Wails (think Electron but with Go) project in soon for better comparison.

Frankly, I’m always tickled that people read what I have to say. Disagreement is okay but I found I just say what most people are thinking. And I’m okay being the target for the criticism. But I feel that I’ve always tried to be fair.

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Fundamentally I think Xojo have really made a TON of assumptions about the effect of the price changes

  1. that purchase rates & subscription rates will be largely unaffected
    I seriously doubt this would be true and that the effect of this will be much like when they switched away from discounts for renewals and people just remained on old versions until a version had something in it they felt they needed to update for
    There are always lots of posts about using very old versions, esp on Windows where the rate of required changes driven by changes from MS are way slower than from Apple

  2. that panic buying renewal will drive some short term revenue
    It may
    Sales also drive a short term bump

  3. that the additional discount rates for auto renewal will induce people to auto renew
    I seriously doubt that would be the case
    A 10% discount isnt enough IMHO
    It needs to start higher, like 25%, and move up from there
    Personally the BEST was the 50% discount given when renewing once you had purchased

I truly think they’ve committed Hari-kari with this move

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