Do you mean using PHP and such for clients?
I’m learning that companies will strong-arm you, but PHP has been free and used for a long time and doesn’t need an App Store. 
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You don’t read the code?
There’s third party audits and such too. but if you’re referring to using a smaller project in your code, you could just read it.
No idea what you are trying to say, but no worries
API 2 is such a disaster. Why would someone spend any money on a time-waster like Xojo?
And API 3 will be even more gruesome.
I forgot:
https://forum.xojo.com/t/api-2-0-replacement-for-cell-borders-and-yieldtonextthread/86224
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That makes the assumption that the company will still be around long enough for an API 3. Tho technically I guess API 2 is really API 3 since there was the original, then the Xojo API (that solved many long-term issues but users hated), and then API 2.
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WHAT?! There are things about Xojo that people HATE??? imagine that
Preview of API 3:
Painting (TwoCoats as Boolean)
Lipstick.Pig(apply)
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There will not be an API3. For what? They could need it to bring all project Types together but I doubt that they will do that. For what? It is working like this for them. More they need shiny features to add for more revenue to get new users. After their refocus to all users instead only new users and citizen users or pro users they imagine from now on: everything is now ok and there is no problem for the pro users. And while it is such an expensive and exclusive product they decided that they will have fun with tons of new users and renewing old ones.
Okay. The reality is ifferent. They know that every existing user is catched in their code cage. There is no way out for the most of them. Why ever but the most of them want to have the same. And they get it. There is no way out for them. So they will still pay 999,- pr year. A few will regret and stop paying and the rest will do it with fun cause they have their Xojo.
And at the end of this story nobody at Xojo is interested what will be happened when something like an end of the company will be happened.
TBH they didnt need api 2 to make it so you could have all target types in a single project
Code just simply would compile if you tried to use desktop only controls in iOS and vice versa
Compatibility flags would suffice to say which items can be in which targets
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according to GetLatKa Xojo makes an annual revenue of 990K USD and made an M&A Offer recently in 2025? Or was a subject of an M&A? Thats unclear…
https://getlatka.com/companies/xojo.com
Other sources say it’s even less only 650K
https://growjo.com/company/Xojo
With 9 ppl. that’s not much and far from healthy.
We might see the last life-signals until it implodes under its own weight or is sold or forever doomed into irrelevance
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If they dont have enough money for themselves I doubt that they can make any offer.
With the current CEO, an ownership change is the best thing that can happen to the product.
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that would be shockingly low, given the size of the community.
example: growjo says:
4d’s estimated revenue is $75.6MM
It’s not that any of those numbers are reasonable or not, it’s the perceived relative positioning of them, and the magnitude of those differences.
which community?
on the positive side: It seems there is no VC who could demand his share…
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Examine any statistics you can a hold of for a variety of dev tools. Then guess the relative sizes of their communities. Maybe I’m wrong, but my perception is that the Xojo forums (and this, dissident forum) are far busier than the others. There seems to be far more activity on github. etc. etc.
Looking on Java the communities around are bigger, C++ also and C# is also bigger. Much bigger. The activity on the Xojo forum is quite low compared with the activity before ten years. That’s not a problem at all, the problem is that they are in the need of the money and in the hope that so many people leave the Xojo scene while increasing prices. It’s always quite dangerous to do that without giving your customers any reason why. And especially dangerous if there is a big amount of tools round. But we will see what is going on there and we will also see what will come out of this process. The forum itself became more than silent compared with 2020. And that is always a dangerous situation.
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I consider 800 something Repos on Github as not big count…
2nd this!
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It is just the Forum software… All the topics are shown in a single main page so it looks like more active.
But 5 threads a day is NOT an active comunity.
Most repos are API 1. They do more harm to new user.
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i don’t doubt it. that seems to be true for most dev tools. i can’t think of any that kept growing, over time. most of them seem to have a ramp-up, and then a slow decay.
discourse is not some magical, rarely-used software. other tools have forums, too.
and? look at the competition, and then look up their estimated revenues. something doesn’t jive.
i’m interested in the business of these tools, as much as the tools themselves. there seems to be a lot more activity on xojo’s forum. third-party utilities/plugin vendors are much more active on xojo than they are on other forums. yet, the projected revenue numbers are flipped the other way. something is skewed.