Meanwhile Xojo raises prices, gives days to renew Lite, not answering support questions, and even releasing a r2.1 without an announcement.
If folks are on holiday, WTF…
Lights are on but no one is home, it seems.
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Xojo sucks
Maybe, something more agressive but proven on many other products:
Lite = FREE but with a Made with xojo splash screen.
Lite No splash = $99
Single platform = $149
Desktop, Web or Mobile = $249
2 targets = $449
3 targets (PRO)= $599
Maybe not stupidity
But I would call it “arrogance”
Absolutely
100%
When WebI 1 → Web 2 first appeared users told Geoff flat out this was dumb and it would force people to rewrite projects
And those concerns and prognostications were discounted
Yet have proven correct
When API 1 → API 2 was revealed and users said this would cause confusion, make old code useless as examples and cause other issues ?
Same dismissal. Same results
There have been MANY other instances of the community saying “this will cause …” and those concerns being dismissed, yet later proven to be accurate.
And through it all Geoff remains steadfast in his absolute confidence he is always right
I dont wish them ill but this move might just be about as close to a death blow for Xojo as anyone has ever seen
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Looks like forum censorship is more important than the product 
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Well, I still remember when he anounced the “New framework” on a conference and every one reacted in a WTF way. His reaction, Im a genious and you are not understanding 
Well, it sucked, most never used so the “genious” obvious course of action, made something worse but not optional, API2 
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Their relationship with their user base definitely ISNT healthy
EDIT : FUNNY ordering of Hals Post then mine 
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Spot on. Web 1 → Web 2 was the last straw for me.
- Xojo mostly stopped working on Web 1 will working on Web 2.
- Web 2 took forever while minimal updates to Web 1, if any.
- No Web 1 → Web 2 migrator.
- No Web 2 Responsive controls.
Just no respect for customers.
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The NEW framework was not well described for sure
Its benefits were never really explained well
But, it’s still there and its code underpins a much of whats been new & improved in API 1
DateTime ? yep thats the “new framework one”
Folderitem improvements ? new framework
Along with several others just hidden so you dont need to use long namespace references
What folks got hung up on was the long namespace references, which, had that framework been aggressively worked on AS INTENDED, would have gone way with time
But, despite claims to the contrary, when priorities shift and a staff members time is dedicated elsewhere something definitely doesnt get worked on
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Winning friends & influencing people one shitty act at a time
And they wonder why INN’s user base grows ?
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On purchasing a company for it’s customers:
It’s not always quantity but who they are, what niche markets they are in, demonstrated ability and willingness to pay a certain amount, etc.
There’s also companies that buy other companies just to burn them to the ground and get whatever financial gains they can from that. Has Xojo been borrowing money?
Another set of companies will grab other companies that deal in similar areas and combine them to be one company that deals in that area. Turning independent gas stations into a chain, similar restaurants into a franchise, etc.
This will not happen for them- First there is no niche market they are really alone. There are many XPlat delivering possibilities, there are many mobile, web and Desktop frameworks. There is no real niche. The niche was: Visual Basic programmers where able to work immediately with it. This has ended.
Nobody would buy Xojo to burn it to the ground: for which market it should be useful when there is no real big userbase to burn down? Nothing what is for anybody from interest.
Nobody, really nobody of the big five will buy Xojo to combine with them. For what? Bad technology and many BUGS? I doubt that this can be happened.
So in my view there is nobody buying it. Only if the people working there are buying it there would be a chance. Not to forget: Xojo has external shareholders.
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Yeah, fuck! That would by far be the best thing that could happen. Tonight, in my bedtime prayer, I will advocate for exactly that — that it’s just about quickly pulling in a large sum now so that the entire codebase can then be gifted to Christian.
But that can’t be the full story. I’ve been self-employed for ages, and no one runs a company completely against the opinion of their own team. Clearly, there are people working there who genuinely think everything’s just fine. Otherwise, they’d be telling the boss: “Hey, this isn’t working.” What’s he supposed to do - fire them all? You can’t do that. Then you’re left on your own.
I don’t have insider knowledge, but it’s pretty obvious that some folks there have made themselves quite comfortable in their jobs. Honestly: the output they deliver could be matched by a single developer elsewhere in a fraction of the time. There’s no way anyone there is under pressure. Judging by the results, I simply can’t see it any other way.
Everything has a price, and that applies to both sides. If the price is right, someone will take over XOJO.
Am I seeing this correctly? Xojo manages to delete posts and warn users, but they can’t handle credit card payments or respond to messages?
Who announces such drastic news and then goes on vacation? That’s just nonsense. Is the light already out over there?
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Everybody doing this can do it if he knows that he can get his money ever back. There exactly is the problem. Xojo is a falling business. And it will - even if you hardly believe it - not stay for ever. One day it will end up it’s market presence and there is no business anymore. Pro user amount decreases and since years the forum traffic is sinking. That and the fact that it is a really small company without a real niche is the end of the story.
Again true, just not applicable to a company like Xojo Inc. No niche market, no assets to merge, tiny usage coverage, just a handful of employees left spread all over the world … There is just nothing that makes it slightly interesting to buy 
Indeed, this one blows me away. No professionalism whatsoever. Small Github projects are being managed better
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This project is not managed at all if you ask me. They have a Simon Says semantic. In their universa the CEO says and they do. That’s normal in real small companies with 2 faces. But here it is also disturbing the development at all. While it makes no output it costs too much time for getting projects done. Nobody can decide. And when and if the CEO decides they have to follow. This was why Android came that fast.
Come on, prices are not the main issues they have. A shrinking user-base is. The lack of a community, the vast number of supported platforms, the lack of staff, the huge wave of bugs in front of the bow. The bad reputation and CEO. None of this issues are addressed in any way by a higher or even lower price tag.
In best case they now have borrowed a little bit of time. The impact will come into effect within the next one to two years.
It looks so desperate.
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