If you add limited resources to that formula in my opinion the outcome is clear: the resources will get directed to pleasing the non complaining overwhelming majority (again, this is just conjecture).
Do as you will to rationalize the situation in your mind… it doesn’t change my (other others) perception… If you do not like the tone of posts on this forum, you have the freedom to ignore them. You are free to follow your perception, and nobody here will attempt to change that. I (and others) are voicing our concerns in the hopes that perhaps, maybe that Xojo might listen. The fact that you feel they don’t need to listen, is your opinion, and I respect your right to that.
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ROFL NOOOO, the job of a CEO is to do what actually is best for the company, not what he believes is best at first glance.
John Sculley will have my eternal gratitud for doing what HE thought it was right for his company (apple), pushing out Steve Jobs. Otherwhise, we will be in a world full of MACs 
That is NOT true. Not only many big Xojo users and Xojo “evangelists” are LEAVING, but Xojo as a tool is each day les and les relevant to the world… So, NO that is not something subjective, Xojo had one great advantage, To be a True multitarget RAD For DECADES, if it is not dominating the market, it is because the awful desitions of the CEO.
Well, all the “white” censored content is in The Other Forum, people can read it there and have the grey picture 
I never meant to say I feel they don’t need to listen (and I think I haven’t), but if I have probably my wording wasn’t good to express myself.
As I said before, to me someone repeating this for the nth time here is no proof of anything. This is just an opinion unless you add information to support it, sorry.
I am not defending them, I am not justifying them, I am on no one’s side. My point is there is no side here. I don’t think Geoff has any personal problem with any of you and that’s why he is not listening to you, do you? (I will exclude Norman from this question… just in case 
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I don’t think he is basing his decisions on anything other than the data he has at hand, do you? Why?
I don’t need to convince anyone of anything. I don’t know what’s going on with Xojo, not trying to pretend otherwise.
And I need to stop posting because this is consuming too much of my time (sorry).
Julen
Geoff as CEO has an insight on various ways as he looks himself regularly in the forums and answers there, creates several example projects himself and writes documentation. Also he monitors feedback cases and replies there.
He definitely knows how he uses the IDE, what he feels its strengths and weaknesses are, etc.
But I dont think he codes full time all day every day like his engineering staff or like some people here do.
So he has to rely on surveys, personal discussions and other information gathering forms to get feedback from people who use the tool in ways he and his staff dont (database plugins are a great example as its apparent which they use and which they dont - but thats a different discussion)
The ways they can gather information can be incomplete - if a lot of full time devs opt out of surveys that will affect the kind of feedback they get. If feedback reports get zero points when a person no longer has a license then that also affects what might be perceived as the importance of a particular report esp if a person doesnt renew because some bug / issue they encounter hasnt been fixed. Reach, or the number of people who have at one time signed on to a report, might be a more useful metric sometimes because of how points are handled.
Xojo certainly has to take into account that the surveys may not be representative of their entire user base - just those that havent opted out. Surveying everyone - regardless of email preference might be better BUT has certain risks since people have said not to email them. (Maybe have two options ? opt out of all marketing emails and opt out of annual surveys - that way people could get the surveys but nothing else or could opt out of both)
One thing is certain - limiting conversations and discussion of Xojo, particularly weaknesses & what competitors do better that gets locked or removed, simply seems to be like trying to bury their heads in the sand.
Its frustrating as no one here necessarily wants to see Xojo fail - but they sure would like a more open and honest conversation about Xojo and where its headed etc
Thats primarily how INN came to be sicne Xojo doesnt seem interested in that kind of conversation
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one thing I never got, and still do not think that any logical reason comes to mind.
android.
what on earth led them to believe that android was even a hobby wish, its clearly (from any projects I have been involved with) utterly impossible to make any money out of it, unless its used as part of a wider project (such as an interface for an industrial device which is what I was doing and, did it in a very short time in B4A).
since all that promotion, development and advertisement has been done, nothing whatsoever has been seen of it in the hands of users.
then on top of that there has been almost zero (as far as I have seen) calling out of the company that its not been released.
just imagine all that time and money wasted on that single and easily visible area.
what positive and useful work could have been done to prevent a situation where users hoping for bug fixes and useful updates to the compiler/IDE leave the product in seemingly large numbers and very publicly.
if its supposed that the API2 and event changes were due in part to support android (and the new web stuff) might it follow that had android been left to the competition, who already do it very well, then those resources might have been better placed in the ‘make Xojo stable and good at what its core is designed to do’ route.
that might be what I really think I would put in the annual survey.
but then again, I cant be arsed, no one would take any notice.
I do not want Xojo to fail and I can do nothing to make it fail, nor succeed, that is up to someone else.
I think this is the driver
So now if someone does an app for themselves or clients and client says “oh we want an iOS and Android version” its at least possible
Before it was “yeah we can do that and everything except Android will use one tool and Android will use some other code base”
certainly not “required” to support android
Android could plausibly have used API 1 (the API we’re all used to)
some did from what I gather
A lot of the people here dont
At best we can stop paying for licenses “just to support them” because we hope they will release a version that addresses the things on our personal priority lists.
If they do - buy it
If not - dont
Would you ever send Ford money “just to support them and maybe one day they will release a car I want” ? (I wouldnt because I want a camaro not a mustang but …)
Best we can do is tell them what we see as the things they need to do to get us paying for licenses again
They of course can choose to accept or ignore that
oooohhhhh did I miss the announcement?
or if they said that right now would it just be a lie?
No I dont think so 
I’m just saying that I suspect the desire to make an app for iOS , Android, desktop etc from “the same code” is what the attraction is
it has attraction but I have no idea how well that will work until we see it
with you all the way Norm, we must do more of these Q&A sessions, got a load of stuff out there in a well formed manner!
next time we should do ‘iOS and web 2.0, a strategy for success’.
All joking aside, how about just getting the stuff that’s already there working properly!.
Hi Joseph,
yes I know, it was something of a rhetorical question and a bit of a poke at the feedback system, it may not be as representative as one might expect (some people could never get it to work for instance).
If it had been possible, and nothing else caught my eye, I would like to be able to take my 10 points and remove someone else’s points from the android ranking, but that’s not going to happen either, although its something I might want to add to the online survey…
As a Scientist I disagree … 
That’s what I wanted from iOS
I can’t be bothered to go find the hype from beforehand, but iOS was nothing like the promised (?) ‘build an IOS app using your existing code’
We kinda knew that some controls would be missing or different.
But very little code was reusable by the time iOS was released.
Still, the android people hoped that ‘making the iOS code drive Android’ would be a 5 minute job.
Hohoho.
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But Markus… just read all the comments here, and on TOF… you will find empirical evidence that there can be no reality, since various members of this forum and TOF, percieve the current “reality” to be vastly different. And if that is not enough, look at the Political situation in America… The “Trumpers” have their “reality”, and the sane people of the world have another… While there can only be one reality, not everyone percieves it the same.
I’m talking about Science, not opinions 
So I have to object against the general assertion that there IS no reality.
Because there is, even though some people make a total mess of it … 
I would like to port some of my applications to Android so I can do network stuffs on all my devices, but I don’t expect any money out of it.
Then Android support is good for me; so I understand it being a good addition.
How much are you prepared to pay for a licence?