Xojo Android Summer Preview

Hi Sam,
sorry you got this shit, not seen in my experience, but I do not use headphones and always use an apple external keyboard and trackpad with my laptop these days.
I have no idea what bugs are in apple music, again I don’t use it and as far as an iPhone being slow, never seen that on any level.
different experience and different usage no doubt.

I have no doubt you’ll do everything to determine android phones abilities, see you back over the apple side soon.

I too use an external keyboard and mouse, when at my desk, but when not. Ended up having to remove almost all the items on the TouchBar, because there’s nothing more irritating that typing away and having stuff fly about by I graze that stupid TouchBar. If only Apple would have improved the Touchbar so it can optionally require a press first, I’d hate it a lot less and maybe even like it.

I have decades of music that I’ve purchased, with iOS, I tried several 3rd Party apps, but the bugs persisted. One of the developers said they have to use Apple Music to play back music, they’re app is basically a controller for it.

On Android, any application can play my music collection.

You must know by now that Apple slowed down devices once the battery reached a certain level. Only they “forgot” to tell people about it. I don’t use my phone that frequently so it took me many years to reach that point, however some of my friends use their phones constantly and started to experience it much earlier. Apple got caught and fussed up, but that was after some had purchased new phones on Apple’s advice.

What I really do miss more than anything, is elastic scrolling. Other than that, this phone has a massive uninterrupted display (no notch, holepunch), feels solid and runs really smoothly. Built-in DTS, built-in equalizer, 3 day battery life, DNG RAW images, fingerprint reader, headphone jack, customization out the wazoo. Actual FireFox web browser (not a wrapper for Apple’s WebKit). Expandable storage. More options than I know what to do with (which also creates some confusion). iOS 15 features already included, lol!

Can you not export to mp3?

More in the sense that I have GBs of audio files that I use to listen to music, rather than streaming.

Sorry Sam, but:

You touch the Touchbar and complain that it reacts? Sorry, not Apple‘s fault.

The battery gets low and speed is reduced to allow the phone to function for longer, eg emergency calls etc? Smart. I shake my head at the complainers …

You have GB of music? So do I. Owned about 1000 CDs that I ripped, over 9,000 songs in my library. Don‘t like iTunes too much as it has been „Windozed“, but there are alternatives. Are you really telling me you can‘t google “use apple music without itunes”?

You are complaining a lot. Whom are you trying to convince?

Because my experience is somewhat different. Slow iPhone 6? Yep, had that. BUT:

My physio did everything on her Android phone (she didn’t even have a computer) - she had her bank account emptied twice.

Friend of my parents in her 40s had problems with her Android tablet - turned out to be malware.

Another friend of my parents (about 70) had a 8 month old Android phone (her son who gave it to her has an iPhone … :thinking: maybe he doesn’t like his mother :flushed:), and came to me because it started playing up. Turned out it was a system update, but it came without German keyboard. I had to download a German keyboard from the Playstore - something she would not have been able to fix.

In the meanwhile my iPhone 6 is running iOS 12 just fine (admittedly slower than my second hand iPhone X that I got after my wife dropped her’s and took mine - hers is still working but the screen is slightly damaged and somewhat out of the casing).

I look after about 40 Mac owners with iPhones and the only security problem came via a Windows PC at work infected with ransomware that encoded the Dropbox. She had not followed what I had taught her: NEVER put originals into the Dropbox, only copies.

I myself am quite happy with Apple, and not happy with having my data harvested.

So if you like Android then I’m happy for you. But you start to sound increasingly like that fox from Aesop’s fable …

Looks like those people are indeed better off with the closed Apple system instead of the more open Android one as they seam not to know how to handle it (no offense, a lot of people click links or download apps without thinking twice). Does not mean the system is bad, but it just isn’t always for everyone and they need to be protected from themselves. I would also give my parents an iPhone, although they do not want a ‘smartphone’ as they are quite happy with one of those senior phones which just have very big buttons :grin: .

I have worked with Android from the beginning, and not ever did I have a similar problem. And I do LOVE how I can tweak and tune my systems! Or as our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man would say: ‘With great power comes great responsibility’ :smiley:

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From time to time i buy Android “Flagships” and try to live with them instead of my iPhone. Most times it takes only a few hours, sometimes a few days until i sell or give back the Android Phones.
Not because i can’t handle “all this power”… But just because my time is limited and i want to work with my Phone and i don’t like to waste my time making the Phone do what it should do. :slight_smile:

Apples Ecosystem is restricted and closed, yes. But my Apple Devices work the majority of their time flawless. Everything on them feels buttersmooth and snappy (fast).

Mine is too, but I just enjoy the tweaking (and just being able to). No one is obliged to do that and for most users, the out-of-the-box version is fine enough. I’m just one of those guys who used to put PCs together from scratch and that feeling of control still is in me. :wink:

My OnePlus 5T (4 years old) with Android 10 is snappy as hell too. My iPad (same age) with almost nothing installed (I use it mainly for browsing and as a remote TV control) is very, very slow. Every time I open up the browser (or another app), it is like it has to reload everything from scratch again. I think iOS 12 is the latest it can run, and I admit something must be wrong with it that I can not figure out because I do not believe it should behave this way.

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It is when it is on a "professional’ laptop, and it gets in the way when using said laptop, on a lap (horror I know).

I’d have rather purchased a large screened MacBook without the TouchBar, but Apple insist on including it with every “Pro” laptop. I’d also been happy if they gave the option to make it require a press first, but they left it unchanged from 2016 (except shorter).

It is great to look at it in hindsight as we now all know why Apple does this, for over a year it wasn’t disclosed why it slowed down or even that Apple were slowing it down. Many people when requesting help from Apple, were encouraged to buy a new phone, when it all it took was a new battery.

On the iPhone, music playback must be done via Apple Music (which contains bugs), 3rd party apps are basically controllers for Apple Music and thus exhibit the same bugs. This is not the case on the Mac or Android.

I am frustrated. Frustrated that bugs which affect my daily usage have existed for 5 years. Frustrated that features were removed in iOS 10. Frustrated that I can’t buy a new Apple phone with a headphone jack. Frustrated that my complaints about the TocuhBar in 2016, still haven’t been addressed. Frustrated that Apple ignores my bug reports. Frustrated that Cook didn’t even respond to my letter I sent him several years ago.

I didn’t buy this Android phone because I wanted an Android phone, I bought it because I am frustrated with Apple. It has been a better experience that I expected with many pleasant surprises.

Happens to iOS customers too. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/06/06/apple-app-store-scams-fraud/

Which you can do on Android.
My mother lost her iPad to an iOS system update, I’m not there to help, Apple told her to buy a new one. My wife’s iPhone started burning battery after the latest iOS update, Apple wanted nearly as much money as a brand new iPhone just to diagnose the fault. It refused to go into DFU so I couldn’t even restore it.

Google, Facebook and Apple, all harvest data from you. However like you, I am happy to accept that and I am careful with what goes through my phone.

I’d encourage anyone who gets the opportunity to use a modern Android phone for a long period of time, to do so. There are many things that Google does right, that we didn’t even know. If you pay for an App and delete it within 2 hours, Google refunds you and cancels any subscriptions.

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And if Apple did that all hell would break loose … :roll_eyes:

I often feel they are measured with VERY different yard sticks … except for

Please don’t equate Apple where Privacy is concerned. I never heard Apple say “Our users have no expectation of Privacy” and try to claim copyright on all photos users uploaded (as Google did) or “They just give me all their data. Those dumbfucks trust me. No idea why.” and wilfully ignore a European High Court order and combine all WhatsApp user data with Facebooks own (including users who do not use Facebook and didn’t want to be on there).

I think one of their first ‘Android’ Apps was for the XDC holding info on the sessions. But it was just a WebView loading some HTML :flushed:

If that is true, that is just insane! But it does explain a lot on how slow Xojo can deliver due to misplanning, poor management or maybe just a lack of knowledge/experience on some of the platforms. They may exist 25 years, but they produce less than others do in a fraction of that time. If the quality would match the time spend, one could maybe understand. But we all know how that turns out…

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If you want to develop Android Apps you’ll need an Android Platform. Best platform is Java or even Kotlin. With them it is not even complex to write Android Apps for distribution. So they could implement Android Studio Features without the need of violating any copyright. They could use the existing technology and that’s it. But if you try to invent the wheel a second time and realize that it has now three edges you may have to restart and restart and restart and…

If they want to deliver Android they should have used the needed environment for it and not to try to build an own technology where nobody knows how it will work in two years. It is a dead end.

So, you came to REALbasic before Geoff stated he will love to be able to compile for Palm Pilot…

This Detail I forgot about. Yes there was something. Sorry: you ARE RIGHT!!! 100%!!! I was wrong also 100%!!!

Genuine question without agenda: the video is presented as ‘watch to the end for a surprise’
All I found near the end is some green warping shapes.
What came before wasnt notable , surprising, exciting or explained.

What was ‘the surprise’ that I was supposed to be watching for?

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Truly no idea :man_shrugging:

lol. The big surprise was the “partially working” debugger :roll_eyes:

Edit: No, I’m not joking. They answered that question in the comments of the video.

That should not be a surprise, that should be a normal situation for all. They are working since years on something they could have done faster. I don’t know why they make their life that hard.

It was nothing more than marketing, the monthly newsletter was out in a few days and it was done just for that. I actually had to look at the end multiple times to try and figure out what was the special reveal, that’s how terribly that was put together. Then I took a look at the output of the debug vars and noted the variable corruption, classy for a reveal video, lets hope they notice it for release…