The USA‘s slide into Fascism …

Markus what is wrong with you where you want people to be victimized because that’s what Democrats do:

Democrats let violent criminals out of jail early so they can attack more victims, more rapes, more murders. Democrats give more protections to the criminals than the law abiding U.S. citizens.

Meanwhile Democrats want to arm criminals and take away U.S. citizen’s rights to bear arms to protect our children and ourselves.
Democrats are so corrupt they want to take away our constitutional 2nd Amendment!
We’re talking about how the Demoncrappers are going against my country’s constitution for Christ’s sake.

Isn’t that the ultimate level of selfishness and corruption in politics?
The Democrats literally want to get rid of part of the U.S. constitution the country was founded upon!

And at the same time Democrats want to defund the police while crime is skyrocketing because of their actions and policies.

How ANYONE can support such obvious corruption and dishonesty is disgusting.

Your love for Obama is also disgusting.
Obama was very corrupt and only ignorant fools don’t see it.

It’s sad you think Obama was good for my country.
He was not.
Look up the U.S. debt when Obama first came into office then how much larger it was when he left.

Please post this information to show people.
You likely won’t.

Obama armed the Mexican drug cartels.

Obama stole over $500 million dollars of tax payer money by hiding it through a Solar company which then the money vanished then the business disappeared. I don’t remember all the details now but I think the total amount of money stolen was near $800 million.

Please explain to me Markus how it’s justified stealing money from honest hard working Americans who can’t afford to pay for their own medical insurance
-Obama hit them with a big fine at the end of every year and gives that money to illegal aliens who don’t even belong in my country.

Explain that.

Illegals come here commit crimes, have babies and live off of U.S. citizen tax payers.

Explain how it’s justified stealing Billions and Billions of dollars every year from American citizens only to give it to illegal aliens who don’t belong in my country.
Meanwhile U.S. citizens have to suffer and go without needed help they cannot get because the money was spent on illegals.

People like to claim Republicans are racist but that’s complete nonsense.
The truth is Democrats are the racist ones.
STUDY Democratic history.
Democrats supported slavery.

SHAME.
ON.
YOU.
FOR SUPPORTING SLAVERY.
And for trying to destroy the U.S. Constitution.

I guess that’s the answer for people like you Markus.

You ARE NOT an American citizen.
You don’t live in my country, so you don’t care about American citizens.
You don’t care the Democrats are destroying my country and turning it into a 3rd world hell hole.
You don’t care the Democrats are trying to take away parts of my constitution.
You don’t care if Americans citizens can protect their children and themselves.

Now it makes sense.
You few that criticize Republicans who don’t even live in my country honestly don’t care about my country or my citizens.

That is why you ignorantly support Democrats.

I get it now.

Liking your own posts again?

And peddling conspiracy theories again? :man_facepalming:

As I said, Republicans are without shame and honour as you repeatedly confirmed.

People like to claim Republicans are racist but that’s complete nonsense.
The truth is Democrats are the racist ones.
STUDY Democratic history.

How about studying the PRESENT rather than the history? Because the PRESENT paints a very ugly picture of the “Republican”.

And yes, you yourself are racist as evidenced by your comments.

Look up the U.S. debt when Obama first came into office then how much larger it was when he left.
Please post this information to show people.
You likely won’t.

There it is:

Unlike you I have no problem with facts.

A bit of history: The Long Story of U.S. Debt, From 1790 to 2011, in 1 Little Chart - The Atlantic

Interesting how both Reagan and Bush introduced tax cuts for the rich which saw tax receipts tank and the debt soar. Obama then inherited a tanking economy, a much reduced tax intake, the fall out from the financial crises, expensive wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, a pension crises, and did brilliantly in turning it around (though at a cost). Trump inherited an accelerating economy that had increased job numbers since 2013 and had a MUCH better starting position than Obama:

US jobs:

Now let’s have a closer look at how the top 1% (Trump & chums) have done compared to the “little people” you claim to represent. How about some REAL facts again (and Business Insider and Fortune are two fairly business-oriented non-partisan publications):

The fortunes of the top 1% grew by over 30% during the financial crises: The rich got a lot richer since the financial crisis | Fortune), and while “little people” (those hard-working people you claim to represent) lost their jobs, homes, health insurance they also got blamed as if it was their fault. The banks were bailed out - the people weren’t.

While the COVID-19 pandemic is shattering lives and pushes even middle class people into poverty Billionaires got 637 BILLION DOLLARS richer during the pandemic (https://www.businessinsider.com.au/billionaires-net-worth-increases-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-7?r=US&IR=T) … and the Republicans want to take health insurance away from those who loose their jobs while Trump gave tax cuts to the super rich? All the while claiming some fairy super health insurance that would be much cheaper and better is somewhere on his desk and ready to roll if only he could find it?

Btw EVERY country in Europe has free public health services. Are we all communists? Is Germany communist? England? Spain? Denmark? Holland? Poland? Are we all such a shit hole as the US?

Germany took in MILLIONS of refugees (in 2019 26% of people living in Germany had a migratory background, USA had 13.7% in 2018) - THAT did not turn us into a shit hole, and the illegal immigrants did not turn the US into a shit hole either (the crime rate among “illegals” is LOWER than for the American population).

What DID turn the US into a shit hole is how the “little people” you claim to represent get shafted by the Republicans, the spread of poverty and destitution. And in turn the American people get told by the Republicans that it is all “the aliens and Obama’s fault”, its “the Democrats” … it’s unbelievable how gullible Republican supporters are, how little they understand about connections and consequences.

How about reading something interesting rather than listening to conspiracy theories: Ending Special Tax Treatment for the Very Wealthy - Center for American Progress

Instead the Republicans thump their bibles but have no clue what is written in it. I’m not religious, and I don’t think much of “Christianity”, but Republicans give even Christianity a bad name (btw Jesus wasn’t a blue eyed blond white guy, and if Joseph and Maria would turn up at your house you’d call ICE).

To quote:

To whom much is given, much will be required (Luke 12:48). If you have heard that line of wisdom, you know it means we are held responsible for what we have. If we have been blessed with talents, wealth, knowledge, time, and the like, it is expected that we benefit others.

How christian then that a billionaire pays less tax than any nurse, teacher, bus driver, cleaner, waitress, etc … but how VERY Republican.

Putting children in cages is inexcusable.

The open racism you display is inexcusable. And as has been pointed out to you before, the crime rate among “illegals” is LOWER than for the American population. But then when have facts ever stopped you to consider anything.

I have never blocked anyone before, but I will now block you. You are resistant to real facts, you just peddle conspiracy theories without base, and you don’t answer any question or deal with any argument.

In short: dealing with you is a complete waste of time.

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Fully agree!

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The Republican supporters try to prevent Biden from campaigning, and then call the Democrats “chinese communists”?

Umm, who again suppresses democracy and voting? Removing ballot boxes in “Democrat areas”, blocking votes by mail and claiming voting by mail is “unsafe” when the security services have clearly stated that is not the case?

It is as blatant as Trump lying that he has stopped the pandemic …

Probably @MarkusWinter will understand the finer math of this, but even for me getting the gist of it, this just shows how little the Orange One cares for his people.

This war game simulation What if? I heard last night does one frown upon (at the very least) how fragile America’s democracy really is…

Please consider not sullying up this sacred ground with mindless mainstream political nonsense. Those who are stirring that steaming hot excremental pot rather than putting pressure on Xojo Inc. are all way off mission.

Presumably, most of us are here because we wanted to connect with like minded customers who also want to compel Xojo Inc. address the abysmal state of their products. Personal political beliefs are entirely irrelevant to the stated intention of this forum. This political bile is causing the potential gains of this gathering to be lost by fragmenting our unity with each self-aggrandizing post. Nobody wants to be told that they have lost focus, Xojo Inc. Is a classic example of this. It may be unpleasant to for those participating hear, but that does not make it wrong, personal feelings aside.

We are getting off mission here, way off.

We should be united by our love of Xojo and most importantly, our righteous anger over being so poorly served for so long. Xojo Inc. leadership may have at one point been alarmed by this major gathering of the discontented, but I assure you this has turned into reassurance and renewed confidence in light of the political bickering.

Why are any of us talking U.S. politics in here, and with our real names associated with posts? None of us have any ability to affect change in that arena whatsoever. Even if we voted as an American, our vote has no influence on what the chosen candidate actually does with “their” power once they obtain the keys to the kingdom. The entire system has zero accountability, much like Xojo Inc. If any of you have lived in the United States long enough and took your civic responsibilities seriously, you would already know that it’s all an illusion, and those in official offices don’t give a single solitary fuck about any of us whatsoever. Clinton, Trump, Sanders, Obama, Bush, Biden, Moon, Macron, Putin, Johnson… Red team or blue, it makes no difference, they all serve the same agenda of organized human slavery on a planetary scale.

It does not matter where or who you are, we all face the same exact assaults against our personal liberty by the same club of unaccountable autocrats. If you are a westerner, then you face the same electronic surveillance and control grid as someone in China does, in many cases using the exact same tools. We are all subject to capital controls at EVERY airport, milked dry to pay for wars for profit, unacknowledged exit visa systems, officially prosecuted “thought crimes”, rampant censorship, official oppression on the roadside in the name of revenue quotas, men and women deliberately being made to despise each-other, plummeting birthrates among the educated, youth suicide caused by abysmal economics, astronomical inflation, brazen property theft by criminals and the state, oppressive and non-accountable taxation, total corruption of the education system, mass unskilled economic migrant inflows and the unaccountable rule by fiat are present in all of our nations.

No currently existing party or political system is without sin. We have absolutely no power to fight this in our current condition; many of us don’t even seem to understand the international nature of this problem, so how could one hope to resist it? It’s quite frankly shocking how low down the information chain many seem to be.

Democrats V.S. Republicans?? This is 2020-21 folks, there are state sponsored information, economic, biological, environmental and resource warfare underway, underground crypto currency markets to escape regulation, the beginning of the decentralization of voting systems, technological censorship resistance, the Chinese Communist Party infiltrating every one of our governments with bribes and blackmail, NSA/Five eyes surveillance on every device, Intel/AMD “management engine” backdoors sending you IP to who knows where, international health passports, your smartphone is transcribing every utterance and your smart TV is live-streaming intimate video out of your own bedroom on command of law enforcement. This calls for solutions far beyond some partisan bickering, and if you don’t already know this, then you must live under a rock or believe everything contrary to your personally held worldview is just a conspiracy theory.

There is a real-world war underway, and many are fighting passionately on both sides, but the “CNN vs. Fox News” crowd are not even given a seat at the table, and if you can please forgive the phrase; are literally considered juvenile tier… you must up your game seriously if you want to have any chance.

Democrats V.S. Republicans? Sure, right… let me just argue and vote this problem away, using my mainstream media supplied talking points no doubt. This is a deliberate and coordinated international assault on all human beings with the stated goals of the complete and perpetual subjugation of all humanity, forever, and without recourse.

The problem is outside of our control as an individual, it is not even within our ability to understand fully, much less change it without considerably more personal effort and unity. Our problems with Xojo Inc. however are most certainly within our abilities to correct. Unlike the Federal Reserve or corporate biosphere destruction, the quality control and business process problems within Xojo Inc. could be effectively solved in 6 to 12 months’ time. There is certainly more than enough combined intelligence, resources, personnel and discontent with the status quo to accomplish this realistic and obtainable goal. Right here, right now.

We are being watched, by Xojo Inc. Leadership, by current and prospective customers and by our peers. Those who would help us in our fight against Xojo’s decline do not receive a rational argument, supported by documented evidence; they get this childish garbage instead. This place needs to become the rally point to force Xojo into a condition that serves everybody, not just their ego and bottom line. The more our people fragment, disburse, isolate and invalidate the energies that should be focused on the mission, the farther we get from having a tool that we should have.

The larger this thread grows, the more that Xojo Inc. leadership is laughing their ass off at how powerless and disorganized we are. If this is the best we can do, then we deserve to pay handsomely for another yet generous helping and bugs, snake oil and broken promises.

I personally came here to unite with all of you to identify the problems, design solutions and compel positive action in regards to Xojo. That is the mission, for me at least. I don’t care one single iota what your personal beliefs are as long as you are willing to stand with me to get this goddamned thing fixed.

A small group have been working out some ideas that need to be presented to all of you. I myself have wanted to solicit your feedback, contributions and modifications much earlier. We intended to use it build consensus on exactly what needs to be done to fix Xojo for the professional customer, and what would steps could be used compel Xojo Inc. to actually accomplish that.

Some of us have been working on entirely our own out of respect for your time, as we wanted to present something meaningful, substantial and worthy of asking for your efforts and support. To be clear, this political nonsense is causing doubt in the health of that consensus needed to fix Xojo. We did not want to waste your time, but we also don’t not want to waste ours either. So here is some of the unfinished product in its current state. Unfortunately, we need to see if there is any actual unity and will for action remaining among the rest of us before proceeding any further.

Fixing Xojo is an entirely obtainable goal; the overnight fix of a 10 year old bug after some moderate backlash is clear evidence of this. If you folks are ready to move forward then please see attached, read carefully and then offer any constructive comments, modifications, contributions and ideas you have. Let’s get this underway, I am personally so tired of seeing Xojo’s cycle of decline, it’s heartbreaking and demoralizing.

I myself (and a few others) eagerly look forward to working with any of you, be it Democrat, Republican, Communist, Black/White Nationalist, Anarchist, Loyalist, Hebrew, Christian or flamboyant homosexual. If you are indeed sincere about obtaining a remedy to this resolvable problem, then we are awaiting your contributions and advice. There will be no right to complain about Xojo if we had the numbers, and the plan, but failed to act effectively and resolutely. That’s not Xojo Inc.’s fault, it’s ours.

Again, please see attached and lets get this ball rolling. There is much more of this in the pipe, and it is time that we all focused on returning Xojo to usefulness and sanity, for the sake of our businesses and theirs as well.

This divide and conquer needs to end; the mission objective is in sight and is ours for the taking.

Thank you.

(Note: You may need to right mouse and open image in separate window read it. Sorry but PDF is not an up-loadable option)

I’ve been guilty of not keeping a close eye on this thread because I choose not to mix my hobbies (programming) with politics. I have had really rather a lot of complaints about this thread from several forum members from both sides of the argument and several people have left the forum due to the political nature of some topics here.

If Not Nil is supposed to be a place to discuss programming. Politics is just too sensitive a topic to discuss here. I have no opinion on the contents of this topic in particular other than I feel that this is an area that is better suited to discussion somewhere else on the internet.

I am closing this thread.

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