Letter to Geoff

If you mislead people with half truths and misstatements then you have to keep track of which ones you’ve told
And that gets hard so putting it in writing is risky

If you just use the phone then its easy to say “Oh no you misunderstood what I said” or something else to dodge issues

Geoff’s usual way to dismiss people. As long as you agree with him you’re rational. When you dont you’re not.

I always said they should follow up on why people didnt renew when a new release came out or turned off auto-renew. Like an exit interview with an employee when they decide to leave. So you can learn something about what could/should be done to retain that customer.
Does it take time ? Yes
It it worth it ? Damn right

But - they dont

  1. To facilitate communication with the Xojo community. The MVPs are there to help us > get the word out about things going on at Xojo and also to help the community make sure > we are hearing what’s going on with them.

Ah, I got that wrong. Always thought that communication between a vendor and customers is bi-directional, especially in a community. My bad.

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MVP’s seemed to be a reaction to some particularly contentious beta cycles where the roll out of API 2 was widely panned and derided
And TONS of bug reports and negative comments about it

So rather than listen to many voices expressing negative comments they seemed to select a handful of folks whose rose coloured glasses prevent them seeing the world as it is.
At least one was told that this was how things would evolve - that MVP’s would turn into “shills”
Refused to believe it and … well the rest is history

That some are both MVP’s AND forum moderators puts them in the worst position
It’s hard NOT to always take the companies side when moderating the companies forums and having to adhere to the company rules

As “customer advocates” I’d say that program has failed

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you still have to learn a lot. Xojo is better but different. Even the word better has a different meaning in the Xojo universe :wink:

What about an MVP like Martin Trippensee. Never saw any posts from him, nor would I know how he could help me on anything what MVPs should be doing …

Yes, the Comedians are coming up. The next Vegas Comedy Show or what?

Right - Martin is JUST an MVP same as Christian

Do they present user concerns to Xojo ? No idea since that process is opaque

But they arent MVP’s AND moderators

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I can feel the The Department Of Truth about to make an appearance :slight_smile:

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I had to sit on many business advisory boards in my past job(s), some (INTEL for instance) you would doubt why they were interested in the feedback of a logistic company for instance. But they were. They wanted to hear how people are using products with their chip inside. Though they did know that we are not buying anything directly from them (easy, as they don’t sell much “directly.”).

Their goal was to learn how their products are getting used. They wanted to understand OUR business, they wanted to see what general IT needs and challenges were all about. Is “energy saving” a topic for you, or “performance”, or “form factor”, sizes of devices, encryption on bare bone level, fingerprints, … you name it.

Now Xojo has a different size. Granted, but just ignoring customer’s feedback and only picking out some lighthouse apps (look this guy, is really making money with his app), while many are facing show stoppers but ignoring that feedback is just wrong.

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Well, that is exactly the problem, they dont want feedback… As the CEO has wrote on the other forum, he knows best and no one is going to tell him how to manage his company…

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No advise taken, no one to blame than thyselfes. Not our problem at the end.

Ivan they have their own view on it. Interested in revenue and not in quality. They need to sell. Nothing else. And they need new Customers while old ones going. That is the normal way of existing in Software environment. Loosing a customer and getting a customer . And so on.

This tweet is funny because it’s true! You better don’t vocally criticize Xojo, and wearing a muzzle may help to stay in line. Same goes for the users too… :joy:

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That’s incompatible with their saying, thought: “we are eating our own dog food”.

at least they are giving transparency on their target audience. That’s progress.

Which is ONLY true for desktop targets
They make the IDE using the IDE so they use a certain slice of their product to make their product

But I would hazard a guess they dont use a lot of the stuff that is in the product to make the product

iOS ? do they have anything that they rely on ? thats critical to their business they use all day every day ? I dont believe so so - no dog fooding

Web ? same

So they “dog food” only a portion of their product

Yes, I’m sure of that. My message was more of a kind of “joke” because of the muzzle, which prevents fooding the dog :wink:.

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I’ll refrain from other whimsical comments about dog with mask as I wouldn’t want any of our many anonymous readers* to think I’m a troll or being mean or …

You know when its quite obviously in jest some just have no sense of HA HA

EDIT : how many anonymous readers we get per month - about 25% on average


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Not a single sentence can please to everyone.

Thank you :slight_smile:

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