I also don’t forget that Western media always gives us a biased view of the situation.
It was ever thus. In World War 1, antipathy towards Germany was stoked with lies about Germans bayoneting Belgian babies and posters with images of German soldiers looking more like beasts than men.
I have no doubt that similar lies were told about Serbia just as they have been about every bogeyman the West has decided to get rid of for not toeing the US line.
Nato is really just one country with a bunch of sidekicks.
The KLA were a terrorist organisation in the eyes of the USA. They were also who Yugoslavia were in conflict with, in Kosovo.
The attack on Yugoslavia was carried out for political reasons above all else.
The conditions to avoid being attacked, imposed by Nato on Yugoslavia were so onerous as to make compliance impossible for a sovereign state with any sense of self respect.
As I heard it, a decision had been made in Washington that Serbia needed bombing and that’s why conditions were set so as to make it impossible for Yugoslavia to agree to them. Conditions along the lines of accept being occupied and also pay its expenses.
President Clinton ordered the bombing without the say so from the US Congress or the UN Security Council. Nato violated its own charter.
The Clintons, people who’ve never had careers outside public service and who are today worth $100 million.
Sigh. I hate it when people can’t get simple facts straight. It is NOT Yugoslavia.
The State Union of Serbia and Montenegro[a] (often shortened to Serbia and Montenegro[b]), known until 2003 as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia[c](FRY ) and commonly (but wrongly) referred to as Yugoslavia ,[d] was a country in Southeast Europe located in the Balkans that existed from 1992 to 2006, following the breakupof the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFR Yugoslavia). The state was established on 27 April 1992 as a federation comprising the Republic of Serbia and the Republic of Montenegro. In February 2003, it was transformed from a federal republic to a political union until Montenegro seceded from the union in June 2006, leading to the full independence of both Serbia and Montenegro.
Its aspirations to be the sole legal successor state to the SFR Yugoslavia were not recognized by the United Nations, following the passing of United Nations Security Council Resolution 777,[5] which affirmed that the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia had ceased to exist, and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was a new state. All former republics were entitled to state succession while none of them continued the SFR Yugoslavia’s international legal personality. However, the government of Slobodan Miloševićopposed any such claims, and as such, the FR Yugoslavia was not allowed to join the United Nations.
Throughout its existence, the FR Yugoslavia had a tense relationship with the international community, as economic sanctions[6] were issued against the state during the course of the Yugoslav Warsand Kosovo War. This also resulted in hyperinflation between 1992 and 1994.[7]The Yugoslav Wars ended with the Dayton Agreement, which recognized the independence of the Republics of Croatia, Slovenia, and Bosnia and Herzegovina, as well as establishing diplomatic relationships between the states, and a guaranteed role of the Serbian population within Bosnian politics.[8]
Economic hardship and war resulted in growing discontent with the government of Milošević and his allies, who ran both Serbia and Montenegro as an effective dictatorship.[12] This would eventually cumulate in the Bulldozer Revolution, which saw his government overthrown, and replaced by one led by the Democratic Opposition of Serbia and Vojislav Koštunica, which also joined the UN.[13][14]The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia ended in 2003 after the Federal Assembly of Yugoslavia voted to enact the Constitutional Charter of Serbia and Montenegro, which established the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro. As such, the name Yugoslavia was consigned to history.[15] A growing independence movement in Montenegro, led by Milo Đukanović, caused the new constitution of Serbia and Montenegro to include a clause allowing for a referendum on the question of Montenegrin independence after three years.[16] In 2006, the referendum was called, passing by a narrow margin.[17] This led to the dissolution of the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro and the establishment of the independent republics of Serbia and Montenegro, turning Serbia into a landlocked country. Some consider this the last act in the breakup of Yugoslavia.[18]
Thanks for the lecture (festooned with your usual childish insults) which addresses none of the points I made about the illegality of the Nato war on Serbia
It was because the Serbs started the same crap in Kosovo as they had in Bosnia-Herzegovina, ethic cleansing and atrocities.
Did NATO intervene without UN Security Council approval? Yes.
Because Russia was going to block it.
But unlike Russia’s invasion of and targeted bombing of civilians in Ukraine It wasn’t morally wrong - I would argue it was the right thing to do, just as it was morally right to stop Nazi-Germany (and I’m saying this as a German).
One thing after another, impatient one - you are not that important, just another ideologically misguided guy with dubious knowledge on the internet spouting nonsense.
I’d argue that the war in Ukraine began in 2014 but you can choose 2022 if you prefer.
Let us know the number of Ukrainian civilians that have died in either case.
Then contrast the number you come up with, with the number of people in Gaza who have died since October 7th 2023 ( a conflict that you country has gone all in on supporting).
Then tell me again that Russia is targeting civilians.
If you would have been there I would say: yu would not say what you try to say here. If you would hav spoken with people which are from kosovo you would also not say it anymore. I guess you are a Putin and Serbia fan. If we should stop communicate cause I know what I know and that has nothing to do with the western press. It has to do with much more informations than press of “western hemisphere”.
By the way: your antisemitic and anti Israel propaganda is not correct. This people sended thousands of rockets to Israel. THAT WAS WAR and that on CIVILISTS and not th IDF. And if you prefere to say stuffs like this I would prefere to say: you lost contact to all inds of reality.
I will ignore you better cause I will get upset otherwise and you are not worth to be in the middle like that.
I am not antisemitic. Judaism is a very old and honourable religion. Zionism is a 19th century construct, the majority of Jews until as late as 1967 had no time for zionism.
Zionism started out as a specifically antisemitic movement. They despised religious Judaism for its lack of a militaristic nature (Jabotinsky). They wanted to create a new type of Jew, one mirrored on European imperialist ideals.
Jews have suffered terribly in Europe, zionism would have my total support if it hadn’t involved the sacrificing of the Palestinians who ironically are the true descendants of the Jews of the Bible.
That would be true if it would be true. Sorry for that but: no. And the next is: Jewish is always coupled to the religion of the mother. If she is jewish, you are jewish. If you become msulim: you are not a jew anymore, you cutted the connection. And the tora says on more than one place: ended up you became an enemy. So please don’t even try to speak about jewish history and the poor palestinians. You have not a bit of an Idea about judaism. That you showed. And so please: stop do that again and again. Your beloved people firing rockets and smashing bombs on israelis. Thzat’s what they do. What you have forgotten: Israel is a jewish and muslim state. So please: cut it and leave it alone it hurts to read it for somebody which knows more about it.
Why compare the two ?
Two things can be horrible at the same time
NEITHER is desirable
again two things can be true at the same time
Israel IS
And so is Russia (or they have THE absolute worst guidance systems on the planet that hit apartment buildings with a great deal of regularity)
Much ink has been spilled portraying Trump as the hero and Maduro as the villain. For small states, this distinction offers little protection. Both leaders operate through pressure, spectacle and intimidation. Both personalise power, elevate loyalty over competence, and govern through permanent crisis. Trump does so within institutions that are still resilient but eroding; Maduro atop institutions he had hollowed out. Both are widely perceived as corrupt. Both have enriched their families, allies, cronies and themselves. Both have the same instincts but different power.
I agree. 2014 Russia broke the security guarantees it gave Ukraine as explained above.
What does one have to do with the other? And in case you missed it, I’m not speaking for Germany, I’m speaking for myself.
In Israel’s case: Hamas was created with the express purpose of sabotaging the peace process (Camp David rings a bell?) and the destruction of Israel - there can be no doubt or discussion about this as Hamas itself has declared their intention multiple times. And they successfully stopped the peace process with assassinations and kidnappings that turned the Israelis against it. Hamas are religious fanatics similar to Daesh (aka IS) but with an emphasis on Israel’s destruction. Hamas fought the (quite corrupt) PLO and took control in Gaza, starting to brainwash kids into hating Israel. For many years Hamas has hid its command centers in hospitals and kindergardens, smug and secure in the knowledge that Israel can’t attack them without a PR desaster. Then they attacked the festival in Israel.
What was Israel to do? If they do nothing then the next attack would be even worse. So they said “No more hiding. If you hide in hospitals, then we’ll attack these hospitals. Etc”.
Hamas is VERY good with propaganda videos on Youtube - but none of these people would have died if it wasn’t for Hamas. So don’t be a bloody apologist.
Do I like how Israel conducts itself? Not one bit. And yes, they too committed war crimes.
So why did none of the muslim nations come to the Palestinians aid? Or at least took in the refugees? Because non of them wants Hamas in their country, not even Libanon.
And what of the peace agreement signed? The very next day Hamas said that they are not going to give up their weapons, rounded up those that worked with Israel to get food in or just dared to challenge the authority of Hamas - and publicly executed them on the streets.
If you want to compare situations, maybe compare situations that are at least superficially similar - otherwise you can’t be taken serious.
Russia has, is, and will continue to target civilians. It is a deliberate strategy, and a multitude of Russian war crimes have been registered. As have some Ukrainian war crimes, but in Russia’s case it is systematic and deliberate, from the blowing up of a damn to the kidnapping of thousands of Ukrainian kids to the atrocities in Bucha to the torture, rapes, and execution of Ukrainian prisoners of war.
If you are Russian then you should be deeply ashamed.
And you know something: at least I have the courage to stand by my opinion with my name. You don’t. Why? Can it be because you know you are wrong?
Sorry Norman I should be more clear. The few Christians that are living today are nothing against around 2 million Muslims and 7.5 million Jews living in Israel with around 9.6 million citizens following to the numbers the ministry of internal affairs made public. That’s what I meant.
Places like Mariupol suffered severe property damage because they were contested. Elsewhere Russia has targeted strategic infrastructure. In the Ukrainian war the vast majority of deaths and injuries are to military personnel. In Gaza it is the complete opposite, in 2 years, the Israelis have killed several times the number of civilians who have been killed in Ukraine in 12 years.
