Well, I notice that Dana just posted an Announcement (which of course will not receive comments) that covers similar ground. So we might expect that whole thread to just quietly disappear.
After so many years of gaslighting and weasel wording, I hope users users are not as naive as xojo pretend. The 3 likes (employee and MVP) vs the real likes in the posts by Bob and Sam sugest that is the case.
Same stupid idea of using the VS mac to sell the idea that xojo is more reliable…
WTF with that "infographic "? xojo criticize “major deprecations”… They shoul put the life of the “New framework”, or the major deprecations with api 2, the “development discontinued” of the WEB1…
Maybe someone want to make a better infographic ?
It would be more realistic to include
Oh jeeze… They criticize FileMaker for deprecating too much, yet they deprecated EVERYTHING, and make no mention of it.
Sigh, what do you expect, that they’re not even proud of what they did. Instead of apologizing to customers and committing to do better, they just pretend that it didn’t happen and carry on.
Seems like they should read some self help guides, owning your mistakes is a way of ensuring you don’t repeat them.
Until Xojo makes drastic improvements, not just with the tool, but the entire ecosystem and gets out there to drum up some serious customers, they’re gonna slowly fade away, and then one of their competitors will release a chart saying the same thing.
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That infographic reveals their sick state of mind.
I would say desperate.
Well, the infographic is also a shameless lie.
Not like THEY’VE never had major deprecations ? 
Web 1 ?
API 1 → API 2 ?
uh … pot meet kettle
Mistakes ? We dont make no stinking mistakes
You have to realize you HAVE made mistakes to be able to own your mistakes
EDIT : note they neglect to mention a few who have been around longer like FM, Omnis and 4D
Deliberate error of omission ?
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Technically it’s a not a lie as they don’t say anything that can’t be proven by fact. However that they chose to leave out that they themselves have done the same thing as a competitor, which they publicly criticize in that chart, illustrates the level of their trustworthiness.
Which strengthens our argument in that they can’t be trusted.
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That’s correct. It is lying by omission.
I don’t think so because there are more dev tools available on Windows then on Mac OS.
Take for example Delphi and WinDev.
Both these tools are fantastic but unfortunately they are not interested in releasing a Mac OS version.
But one can create software in both for xPlatform.
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Which to me says they dont use their tool to make their tool
In Delphi’s case this is sort of true. They use the older Win32 framework to make Delphi NOT their cross platform framework. I’ve literally asked them about this and that was their answer.
No idea about WinDev but I’d suspect its much the same
Its a lot like the days when RB was made in C++ and their devs would say “we dont see that bug”
Because they didnt use the tool all day every day. They wrote in C++
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Not sure if anyone gets the Xojo Newsletters but todays demonstrates so much. There’s a call-out banner for downloading Xojo 2023 R2. Then the next line mentions how 2023 R3 has been out for a few weeks. The link is to R2, the main download button on the website points to R2. I did search Release Notes on the documentation site, that couldn’t even find the notes for R2.
All in all, the lack of attention to detail and pride in their work sums up the general state of the company and product…
Is it safer to buy from a big company? Not necessarily, but it’s safer to buy from one that have some idea of what they’re doing 
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Yeah that image is funny in some ways
Clicking the link goes to 2023 r 2 (not R3)
Well, Xojo does and the IDE is really BAD so, that metric is really useless.
And beyond the marketing stunt that is the “we do dogfooding”, the reality is that for most companies, spend a lot of time and money to rewrite their tool has close to zero return value, after all, millions of devs can use it in windows vs the few potential ones using mac.
Using it and being expert arent necessarily connected or the same thing
I can say that I found LOTS of bugs before ever releasing a version simply by using it to write it every day
I cant speak for the current team in any way
Personally it just makes me suspect of the claim that “we make a great x-platform toolkit” when they dont use it to write their tool
That is the ONE claim Xojo makes that is true
They do use their tool to write an x-platform IDE
How well they do that might be an illustration of several factors - the framework itself, the skill of the users, and lord knows what else
But it doesnt invalidate that claim
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Huh, Xojo’s marketing is getting worse…
a spell checker wouldn’t have caught it
but seriously it was THE first thing I noticed and said “WTF???” to myself
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it perfectly fits into the big picture…
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Fear Uncertainty Doubt & BS ?
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