We understood what they said. It’s clear. They don’t want us as customers. Self made error. We shouldn’t have contracted with them in the beginning.
Thats such bullshit (google for “apple advertising expense”)
Geoff knows it too and sometimes it VERY publicly visible
Apple advertises
All the time
In store. Online. On TV & Social media
To say they dont means you’re NOT paying attention
The other thing Apple has going for it is a reputation for product excellence that they refuse to relinquish to compete in the low margin high volume businesses
Xojo ?
Well it seems to me our genius does not really know Apple…
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Cherry picking quotes that he agrees with…
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See, they have many things together. First: they are american. Both of them running as inc. Both of them having as main language english. Both of them having their busines in figital stuffs. Both of them are long time running businesses. One of them is successful. The other not. Ahh. No. That tey do not have together.
Apple spend a small fortune on marketing.
Xojo has a shrinking market, < 3000 units last year, they have plenty of opportunities for marketing and they should be utilizing their most enthusiastic customers and customers who’re putting out high quality apps in the public app space.
I stopped including “Made with Xojo” on my site and within my apps, because I felt I was giving the wrong impression (I’d spend a lot of time with declares trying to make my apps feel more Mac like). If Xojo had offered me something in return for promoting Xojo, I would reconsider.
Instead I was told things like “Xojo is exactly as it should be”, which doesn’t exactly make me want to allocate resources to promoting them.
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Can you give me an example what you mean by this? If you use the standard controls you’ll get a Mac look and feel too? But you mean you want it more “graphical” and fancy maybe?
Here’s one… Need declares for available system images, partial toolbar, source list background, icons in menus, scroll view, mini controls.
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and now consider to bring exactly this dialog to windows or Linux… if they at least would support or use GTK then this would be more easy…
I guess you want the look & feel of the Mac operating system (your screenshot looks just like the OS-X settings screen). But isn’t it normal that some things aren’t built into Xojo? Like these small icons? There is a set of normal controls with which you can build 75% of your screenshot. Some of your more specific controls like the “Auto / On / Off” aren’t in Xojo (quite curious how you built that 
)
That’s not suppose to happen, because this is a Mac look. Windows & Linux looks quite different.
GTK in Windows and MacOS? Who wants something like that. Makes it not nice. Makes it worse. GTK is not the nice looking one. Even if you believe it’s the best. I do not believe that
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Oh it seems to me you do not really know GTK4 (e.g. current Gnome and mobile responsive apps for small screens)
Better a x-platform framework than crippeled or not-working “native” xojo controls.
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Hey Norm. This thread has wandered all over hell. Can you go ahead and close new comments to this thing…
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Put it this way
It sounds good
But then so did Xojo 
Any screen shots of apps built using GTK4 on various platforms ?
Their OS X Successes leads to a lot of broken links so its hard to see
moved off topic posts
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I actually send a feature request for this a few years ago. After all, they have the “experience” of using it for Linux. Must be asier to por it to the other OSes.
And yes, a good theming for each target could solve all the flicker, transparency, platform inconsistencies, sizes, lack of functionality, responsivenes, etc, etc…
But they said, not gona happen 
not gtk4 but gtk3 : pdfarranger
made in python, looks in win & linux quite the same
curious what that looks like in macOS
The problem is that Xojo gets you 70% of the way, and then you need to either learn how to do declares or shell out more money. The macOS has had a dedicated scrollview for >> 20 years, yet Xojo continue to ignore it.
Take a look at the App Kit and the demo app, to see 70% of what I was able to add to Xojo made apps via declares. I never released my code for photo editing or video editing, that was planned for a future release, but it wasn’t worth maintaining two sets of App Kit for the money it generated.
Some other things that Xojo doesn’t support which apps built with other tools do, include Window Restoration, so the macOS automatically restores the window position throughout launches of the app. This might seem minor, but it’s noticeable when building apps in other tools. I also tried to get Geoff to adopt a document based structure, which would take care of open/save, undo, auto save and all the other macOS file related tasks.
The thing is, Xojo was a Mac only development tool and for many years they continued to focus on the Mac, but that stopped and Xojo has become so insular, that they’re simply not competing.
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