Yep. You’re lucky you don’t use those.
Fair enough. I just like to see balanced reporting.
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There are still developers who find that Xojo suits their needs. I just wouldn’t expect this being written by someone who found out that Xojo does no longer suit their needs.
As you are in the Xojo suits my needs camp, would you volunteer for writing a structured and detailed post here, like @bkeeney did?
That’d be nice if Xojo did it as well 
Thats missing a lot of things they’ve done over the years like dropping Web 1 & API 2 etc
As well its misleading
MS dropping VS on the Mac is NOT the same as MS killing off C# & .Net on the Mac
There are 3 other IDEs for that language
Balanced reporting 
EDIT : never mind announced & demoed but never shipped items like SwordFish and database binding way back when (not the new DBKit which isnt anywhere the same)
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To 4. Frequent Bug Issues I’d add that as per today, Xojo has no identifiable QA process in place.
Xojo Bot still closing bug reports without any involvement of testing or QA in general, putting the blame on users contributing for free to bug chasing ‘This issue has been closed … information required and haven’t received…’
Xojo’s management has been made aware of these shortcomings and failures many times and still engages in these highly unprofessional and error-prone methods.
P.S. The bug report is 4 years old…
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It’s all deniable. They say that Visual Studio for Mac was discontinued, which is technically correct … it just implies way more significance than there actually is.
Also in fairness I think it stinks that MSFT pulled the plug on that … I just saw it coming a couple of years away and long since bailed to Ryder … which maybe enough other people did that they just had to pull back. I like Visual Studio, prefer it to VS Code, and would have preferred something like the Visual Studio 2022 for Windows experience on the Mac.
But you’re right, discontinuing one IDE doesn’t equate to abandoning the platform or something. I mean MSFT had two IDEs for Mac so they have discontinued one and I wager the other is quite a bit stronger product than Xojo, lol.
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Why I Transitioned Away from Xojo - by Bob Keeney is now live.
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My advice to my last Xojo consulting clients was clear: begin the search for a Xojo replacement sooner rather than later. The future of the platform appears uncertain, and it’s unclear whether the company will survive in the next five to ten years.
Amen!
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I think one key point is missing in this list: the breaking of legacy code and not safeguarding investments.
Over several years, I developed an in-house CRM for managing clients, members, training, invoicing, and more. However, I eventually became disappointed as I found myself spending more time keeping up with Xojo updates, applied to newer versions of the language, than maintaining and evolving my existing customer solutions.
A considerable amount of existing source examples, tutorials, and solution descriptions have become obsolete due to Xojo implementing adventurous changes in syntax and documentation.
Moreover, there is also a constantly increasing price tag, which I find hard to justify in-house, especially since we still require numerous other licenses from Apple and third-party developers.
My brother-in-law, on the other hand, chose PHP as a base for his solutions, and he has managed to easily make a living from it…
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PHP is rocking for me as well!
Honestly, I’m surprised that I missed that. Good points!
Another departure:
https://forum.xojo.com/t/learn-with-byron-youtube-channel-gone/77877
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Apparently some folks knew who the heck he is/was
Cant say I ever knew who this fellow was and hands heard of his videos until after I departed
Oh well …
He still seems to be around though
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He had a lot of tutorials on YouTube, introducing people to coding in Xojo. I watched a few found them well made, very instructive. More for beginners, not pro devs. But all was API1…
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So redoing them all would have been a big ask and maybe like Bob he just said F this
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In comparison the guy behind “100 Days of Swift” is updating all his tutorials for iOS 17. I think I read somewhere he’s been going for 40 days so far. I can only conclude that it is worth it.
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That’s the part that hurts the most. It’s obvious that Geoff never thought about any of the existing API1 books, training, blog posts, forum entries, sample code, etc. before forging ahead with API2.
I believe Xojo would be in a better state today if they hadn’t forced API2 down our throats. Dead horse…beating…
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Never thought about getting customer buy-in.
Never thought about outside review of API 2.blow.
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Bob Thanks for saying what needed to be said.
I dropped my ProPlus license. Geoff asked me “Did you drop that license/” I told him “Yes and if you want to know why I would be happy to talk about it.” He never asked.
Almost 2 years ago. He has not called. Hell of way to treat the guy who was once asked to handle parts of his will and who put the first investment money together for RealSoftware.
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