Not sure if it is going to last there, but Markus words are:
I wish Xojo well. I want them to succeed. But I also see where this ship is heading, and the captain ignoring the advice and warnings of the most knowledgeable people and instead insisting that nobody tells him how to run his ship when he is heading for an iceberg ⌠well, what do you do then?
Say that shouting doesnât help? Itâs all you have left before jumping ship.
Place your bets!!
How many centuries will markus be banned?
I put my money on Zero
My ban is almost certainly a personal thing
EDIT : However Ivan your post back to Geoff about his âdont tell me how to run my companyâ post might get YOU banned
Man I wish I could find that one - although as you noted over there its possible it has since been removed as its a pretty shitty post for a CEO to make (true or not)
That entire thread gets more entertaining to read every time geoff replies !
My ban was for pointing out publicly how arrogant Geoff is (as further evidenced by that topic).
And for the record⌠I too read the past post where he said âDonât tell me how to run my companyâ⌠So those replies where he is denying it are pure âBSâ (and I donât mean BigSur)
I cant say I saw such a reply, but that doesnt mean it doesnt / didnt exist.
Several people have said they saw such a post and they cant all be hallucinating.
I wouldnt be surprised he made such a comment in the least.
Iâm sure there are others that would say that as well.
I think I might now be on course for 10,000 âŚ
I am amazed that Geoff hasnât tried to rationalize your forum user chart away.
Should a copy of the topic be made before it is deleted? Or does it matter?
best hurry⌠I doubt it will be there much longer
Calm down over there mate. You make some really good points, but it feels like youâre testing their limits.
Weeell, they are shooting themselves in the foot - I just point it out.
Bob is still here
WHAT? Tim & Hal have left???
1000 years is just Discourse doing itâs thing.
and my personal favourite:
If you can find it, Iâd like to see that
It is also important to remember that the majority of users donât spend a lot of time on the support forum so voices here are not always representative of the entire user base.
Geoff⌠might want to take a class on Statistic Sampling⌠however you would be correct that more negative responses are more likely to be posted⌠but that doesnât make them any less representaive of the entire client population. They will also be voiced by those people that âcareâ (or did), as opposed to those that either donât care or dontâ know. And remember also, just because you have sold âXâ copies of Xojo doesnât mean you have âXâ ACTIVE USERSâŚ
along with the implied â, and you wonât, because we already deleted it as âfake newsââ
Itâs so entertaining to read Geoffs replies.
I would like to second Sam: Please calm it down⌠stay focused on real issues and facts
Agreed. no need to provoke. I could as well written my story there, but I decided this is a much friendlier place to do so
One thing I couldnât help but notice was, besides the âall hands on deckâ call of the Stormtroopers, the naivety of the new and âpotentialâ users of Xojo. This was something I recall being myself.
At first, everything looks very bright, shiny and perfect. I remember showing RB off to my bosses and they also were very impressed (we are talking 2007 here). We decided this was the tool to build the company on and made our first major client program. I must admit, this year long project went rather smooth. We did have to write workarounds for bugs, but the promises to fix them looked very legit and there was no doubt in our minds at all.
We started our next even bigger project, and with what we have learned from the previous one, we had quite the library of âfixesâ we could rely on. A bit disappointed we still had to use it, but hey, those guys are working on it they said. Years went by and the pile of bugs became bigger and bigger instead of decreasing. I still was convinced (RB, then RealStudio and later Xojo) would do the right thing and keep up with their promises. It became however more and more difficult to convince my colleagues of it.
It went so far it actually became a real issue within the company. As I stood alone, I became angry. First at my company for losing the faith, but very quickly I became aware I was actually angry with Xojo. Why the deceives? Why the promises? Why arenât those guys fixing and testing their stuff? How can they release such buggy tools release after release for the big part of a decade?
So we moved on.
Iâm telling my story because I recognize so much of it in that post on their forum. From being happy and in awe at first as a newbie, over learning to live with the problems it has, to getting full angry and disappointed. It is a timeline every Xojo user seems to have to follow. And that canât be right, no?
Aaaand itâs locked. By the usual suspects.
⌠and itâs not the beginning of a beautiful friendship âŚ
Sigh. My name was brought up several times and I couldnât respond. My response would have not have been very kind to Xojo.
In my new position I am still using Xojo. Weâve been using 2019 R1.1 and there are some really nice bug fixes and features we need in 2020 R1. But our app crashes in Windows almost immediately. Iâve been working with Xojo to try and figure it out but my first impulse is to ask, âWeâve waited a year and a half for this shite?â Works great on Mac but for everything else youâre rolling the dice as to whatâs broken.
In my long time in the community Iâve seen the number of targets expand dramatically and the number of developers go down. Rather than making what they have great it certainly appears as if theyâre intent on making all targets mediocre and thus forcing all of those using Xojo for their commercial products to abandon the product.
We (meaning most of us here) just canât live with a crap product thatâs not addressing our needs. We love the product but not in the direction itâs going.
Yikes. Any idea why?