Thank you.
If aliases had been implemented and worked as we expect, it would have gone a long way to help (I’d still have to update everything, but I’d only need to maintain one project). There is a really old feedback case that I mentioned to the CEO, Anthony also tried to help (being an MVP) and I waited to see if they might. As the only thing we can expect from Xojo, is that they don’t.
My guess is that the CEO either doesn’t understand, doesn’t care or did the math and decided that my $700 a year wasn’t worth the effort. From what I’ve learned about how the conversation went internally for “2.0 All The Things”, I believe it to be the second option.
I have to change, I have to let go of all of this frustration, I want to continue using Xojo like I have done for the past 25 years, but Xojo doesn’t want me as a customer, they’ve don’t want my help either, that they’ve made pretty clear.
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Yes, go for it, it will only get better. I was extremely annoyed by the changeover, it cost time and money, but I’m glad to have been out of this whole mess since November of last year. And with every day of distance, one realizes just how crazy (and ultimately unproductive) the last few years have been.
It hurts, but it doesn’t help. What remains is the experience with a great community, which only exists to a limited extent in other languages and other tools. But if you look at the current quality on TOF, then I’m probably already reminiscing here.
If you take pdf for example. Whether you use Java, Go, Rust or whatever: IMHO there are enough free libraries, almost all of which can do more than any built-in or paid Xojo solution and of course with very detailed error-free documentation and tutorials. For me it is not about the language / tool (that’s a matter of taste and your needs) but it’s all about changing into any stable, secure and mature environment. There are many and most free of charge or at low or no cost.
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use Xojo and you will pay for everything you need extra fees. So simple.
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you forgot the word “yearly”. You’ll pay yearly. Of course in theory you don’t have to pay yearly, but factually you’ll pay YEARLY.
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I don’t mind paying yearly for a good, productive, tool, which is why I no longer pay for Xojo.
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That’s part of what does bind you to products like Xojo. I went through this when Microsoft did its “embrace and extend” thing to FoxPro (which of course became “engulf and devour”). The FoxPro online community was just wonderful, both as a resource and an actual community. Corporate assholes care nothing for them, and will destroy them without a thought. And you have to be able to recognize when that is inevitable, and move on.
Of course in a weird way the fact that MSFT announced end-of-life for FoxPro made it no less sad but a least took away all false hope of preserving it. Xojo still shambles on, zombie-like, and one might imagine it will somehow come back to life. No, it will not.
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I have seen lots of VFP users switch to Clarion at that time. And some switched to Clipper as it was very prominent at that time.
Did you give Clarion a try?
I took a look at Clarion, but wasn’t particularly impressed. After all this time, I don’t remember why. Glancing at it now, it’s just as well: it’s still 32 bit and hasn’t seen a new release in 5 years, so their teasing of “Clarion 12” isn’t credible.\
They ARE making an interesting effort to be cross platform (desktop / mobile / web) but a new subscription is $2K and the cross platform add on is $1K. It’s another one of those deals where you have to be all-in or nothing, I guess.
As for Clipper, it was an incompatible syntax which wasn’t of interest to my use case at the time, which was heavily involved with source code accounting systems like SBT, that were originally written for dBase III. It would have in many ways been a step backwards, and again, it’s just as well, because it looks like its spiritual successor, XBase++, while 64-bit, is still Windows-bound and currently trying to bolt on FoxPro compatibility. It’s another Xojo-like scenario: pricey, small struggling company with a very slow release cycle that has fallen behind the state of the art.
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