Thoughts on "Vision Pro"

That’s another Apple myth

Even before that NOKIA had released the 7710 in 2004 which was touchscreen and no keyboard. That was already the direction of travel before the iPhone arrived, it was only Blackberry that thought keyboards were essential.

There is also the narrative that Microsoft and / or Apple invented mouse and modern Desktop Systems like Windows. No. That was Xerox Parc. But like always: what people are telling is the new truths.

Mice were invented by God. Period.

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Oh a wonder. Big bang isn’t true. The world is…man. Millions of X…

Mice were invented shortly before X…

Back to topic.

Yeah that product has a future.

Hm…I’ve bought and used a VR system and I think Apple has solved ALL of my major complaints. The only question now is applications and a reason for me to buy it. And honestly, I don’t think it’s THAT expensive. Currently $1200 for a Vive and then another $600 to $800 for a computer to drive it. And I think Vision Pro is already superior to what Vive offers. I’ve played on the Sony Playstation VR and I also think Vision Pro is considerably better than it.

Is the Vision Pro more expensive? Absolutely! But then what Apple product is not more expensive than its competitors?

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While there are other VR/AR goggle on the market, and all are WAY cheaper than Vision Pro… the key word is “CHEAPER” as opposed to “less expensive”. Yes, Vision Pro is expensive, but attempting to rationalize the “cheaper” prices of the others is only fair, if you are comparing like quality, performance and function… which so far nobody else comes close to.

But with the competition I don’t always get free stickers :wink: - but I agree, the price is premium, but it could have been worse.

Above all, since such devices (after a mature release is on the market) are probably just as unlikely to be thrown away after a year as an Apple TV or a television, so the majority of customers certainly won’t. Some power users and fan boy will.

Apple tends to not be “the very first company to …”
But, they do see trends and then bring out a product that seems more refined (not sure thats quite the right word?) than whatever else is on the market
The iPod was that way - lots of MP3 players on the market when they entered but the iPod really seemed so much nicer
The iPhone was the same way - yes there were others but not quite as “refined”
Vision Pro is that way as well

Heck the Lisa wasnt the very first computer with a graphical UI
But it was certainly much more refined than Xerox’s and actually almost “affordable”
And then the Mac was the next step

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THIS is probably why video games dont hold a lot of attraction for me :slight_smile:

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This is a good point – one must consider TCO and integration of all involved hardware and software, not just the cost of the devices themselves. And Apple is peerless when it comes to integration because they own & control the whole hardware and software environment in great detail. Always assuming of course that they don’t get complacent and sloppy on the OS side of things, which arguably seems to be more and more the case.

Still, Windows is a more complicated and arguably shaky OS than macOS exactly because they have to support every conceivable combination of every (currently or previously) supported hardware rather than just Apple’s own hardware ecosystem.

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MS has changed that a decent amount since WinHEC began

But there is still way more diversity in HW there than on the Mac side - no question

This is not really like you say. Xerox Parc was not really selling their product and they didn’t showed any interest to sell it to a consumer market. Nobody believed that there is one.

Apple might beg to differ
Xerox was given shares in Apple way back when to permit Apple to use those concepts and designs in the Lisa & Mac

Steve’s visit to PARC is well documented even by Steve himself

December 1979 During a visit to Xerox’s Palo Alto Research Center, Steve sees, for the first time, a networked computer with a mouse, windows, icons, menus, and multiple typefaces. “I was so blown away,” he later recalled. He brings the technology, and several PARC researchers, to Apple.

and LOTS of others

No Xerox didnt commercialize the Alto or STAR very well - they made a few thousand
But commercialization isnt invention

Heck Xerox didnt really even “invent” the mouse
But PARC & the Star & Alto were huge inspirations to Jobs & where the Lisa & Mac went

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first “mouse” was invented by a German developer. But he wasn’t successful at all. And yes, inventing is not marketing. Xerox had no Idea what they could earn with that stuff. And I doubt if they would know what they have in their hands that they would give anything to Jobs. That’s the end of story. Jobs was doing a good Job and that’s it. Apple and Microsoft later became to the biggest companies worldwide.

But they both did not invented that. Jobs not the guy based Display systems, Gates not the DOS Operating system. Both builded the best business ever on the inventions of third parties. In case of Gates also on the narrow minded management of digital research corporation. Otherwise they would build the OS for the PC. But that wasn’t happened. Is it luck? I guess it is. Not only for Gates but for the entire industry.

Innovation is not invention. People like Jobs, Gates were innovative.

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And there we are
Apple recognizes that 3500 isnt affordable for everyone and is reportedly working on less expensive models to come later

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Is $3500 expensive for developers, researchers, business analysts, writers et al if you can have multiple windows viewable and accessible at full size (or larger) at anytime just by shifting your eyes? Seems like it might replace the need for multiple expensive monitors and their attendant costs and actually be cost-effective for professional users.

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