# The USA‘s slide into Fascism … **URL:** \ **Category:** Other\ **Created:** [28 May 2020 22:04 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522 "2020-05-28T22:04:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 15:05 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/102 "2020-08-28T15:05:19Z")
Fear ? _OMG Those black folks are coming !_ _OMG gay marriage ?_ _OMG wanton abortions anywhere and everywhere !_ pick a topic They’re pining for “the good old days” - which for THEM were great White folks had everything ran everything and … yeah we got ours its awesome ! _Black folks are upset about something? Oh my those bad black folks are rioting again !_ There’s no “social conscience” More like “socially unconscious” ---
**Author:** ![pjsmith67](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/pjsmith67/32/5028_2.png) [@pjsmith67](https://ifnotnil.com/u/pjsmith67)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 15:59 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/103 "2020-08-28T15:59:11Z")
And if he loses, get ready for an endless stream of lawsuits and other attempts to discredit the election and stay in power. ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 16:25 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/104 "2020-08-28T16:25:00Z")
I read an excellent article about “what happens if the election ISNT settled byt Jan 20?” Sure theres a law about who is supposed to succeed (the speaker) BUT what if all the results are contested There may BE no speaker who has been elected by the house And then ? ick … the senate ? Mitch Mcconnell ??? ick ! Its a decent read and really does highlight some of the possible issues with the 2020 election > **[The Obscure Constitutional Loophole That 2020 Is Blowing Wide Open](https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/08/25/the-obscure-constitutional-loophole-that-2020-is-blowing-wide-open/?utm_source=digg)** > > The United States has a law for disputed elections—but it’s not ready for this year's presidential vote. ---
**Author:** ![Dale](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/dale/32/275_2.png) [@Dale](https://ifnotnil.com/u/Dale)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 18:14 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/105 "2020-08-28T18:14:39Z")
That article isn’t exactly correct. Members of the House of Representatives are elected by the state they represent so, unless challenged at the state level, their elections are not easily derailed. Since they are sworn in by the Dean (the longest serving member of the body) all it takes if for one incumbent to be re-elected and the entire body can be sworn in. As for their effect on the Presidency, unless one party sweeps the super-majority in both houses of Congress, I doubt they’d be able to pass any law changing the path to the Presidency. Therefore, if the presidential portion is undecided, the Speaker of the House would take over until the new President is declared. One possible issue would be if the newly sworn-in House couldn’t elect a new Speaker in time. But since the Speaker is effectively chosen by the majority party, it is very unlikely that would happen while the presidential election is undecided. Furthermore, many states are capable of handling mail-in voting and have been doing it for years so while some places may have issues, others won’t. Add to that the fact that there will still be a lot of in-person voting and I don’t see congressional elections having too many issues. ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 18:25 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/106 "2020-08-28T18:25:12Z")
I enjoyed the article as it was more thought provoking than completely right. If litigation should ensue at many levels (local, state & federal) then it seems plausible to me that there could be many elections undecided for a long period of time. Whether that _could_ cause the House to be unable to elect a new speaker I have no idea. It _seems_ highly implausible but after Trumps win in 2016 I wouldnt say impossible to most things to do with elections any more 🙂 I agree that there are lots o states that can and will have few, if any, issues with large mail in ballot volumes. Some will be overwhelmed as they are not and have not prepared for it very well. Lets just say that it will be interesting right up to the moment a new president elect is done taking his oath ---
**Author:** ![DaveS](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/daves/32/79_2.png) [@DaveS](https://ifnotnil.com/u/DaveS)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 19:45 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/107 "2020-08-28T19:45:08Z")
As I’ve mentioned before my wife works part time for the Registar of Voter here in San Diego. They were told that in elections previous to this one California routinely processed 75% of ballots as mail-in… so they have the procedures to up the count to 100% if necessary. And State law requires that all election processes (counts, validation etc) be complete no later than 30 after the election (ie. Dec 4th 2020) ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 19:59 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/108 "2020-08-28T19:59:23Z")
Yeah there are some states I have no doubt can handle it Others though ? And if there’s litigation about the election gawd help ~~us~~ the USA - Gore v Bush 2000 anyone ? ---
**Author:** ![pjsmith67](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/pjsmith67/32/5028_2.png) [@pjsmith67](https://ifnotnil.com/u/pjsmith67)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 20:11 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/109 "2020-08-28T20:11:13Z")
This would be worse because Trump would fight it all the way. He would not give up like Gore did. No way will he admit defeat. ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 20:26 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/110 "2020-08-28T20:26:07Z")
That, unfortunately, IS my point Its going to be litigated - you can almost be 100% certain of that, if he doesnt win And if he does lord help you all down there ---
**Author:** ![pjsmith67](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/pjsmith67/32/5028_2.png) [@pjsmith67](https://ifnotnil.com/u/pjsmith67)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 21:00 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/111 "2020-08-28T21:00:19Z")
If he wins, we may be moving north. And I’m only half joking there. ---
**Author:** ![MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/markuswinter/32/32_2.png) [@MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/u/MarkusWinter)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 21:18 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/112 "2020-08-28T21:18:44Z")
Assuming they take you … 🙄 … Americans are nowhere near as liked as they think they are … 😱 ---
**Author:** ![DaveS](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/daves/32/79_2.png) [@DaveS](https://ifnotnil.com/u/DaveS)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 21:23 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/113 "2020-08-28T21:23:35Z")
> [@MarkusWinter](#): > > Assuming they take you … 🙄 … Americans are nowhere near as liked as they think they are … Norman has plenty of room I’m sure… ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 21:48 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/114 "2020-08-28T21:48:34Z")
Whaaaaaaaatttttttt ??? \< kidding \> knowing damned well that americans grab canadian flags and pins to put them on their backpacks etc to go travel about the world 😛 This whole trump business is hard to watch from here Like watching you’re best friend become a drug addict and ending up homeless on the street You can try and help and advise & such but you can force them to do anything Not until it gets so bad they literally cant take care of themselves any more ---
**Author:** ![MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/markuswinter/32/32_2.png) [@MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/u/MarkusWinter)\ **Post date:** [28 August 2020 23:20 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/115 "2020-08-28T23:20:42Z")
> **[The Guardian view on Trump’s convention speech: the unwitting truth amid lies...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/28/the-guardian-view-on-trumps-convention-speech-the-unwitting-truth-amid-lies)** > > Editorial: The president’s address was an effective political spectacle, but said everything about what is wrong with him and the Republicans ---
**Author:** ![MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/markuswinter/32/32_2.png) [@MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/u/MarkusWinter)\ **Post date:** [29 August 2020 07:49 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/116 "2020-08-29T07:49:41Z")
I was going to post yesterday that the UK is not far behind in the slide to a cleptocracy (with billions given to companies without tender on secret contracts, posts given on „loyalty to the PM“ and not ability or even merit [„failing“Grayling, Williamson, Patel, etc), when I just saw this: > **[Rivals plan Fox News-style opinionated TV station in UK](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/aug/29/rivals-plan-fox-news-style-opinionated-tv-station-in-uk)** > > Groups pitching to perceived desire for alternative output as trust in BBC falls Fox style „news“ … 🤦‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [29 August 2020 17:02 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/119 "2020-08-29T17:02:27Z")
Fox Style News was Roger Ailes dream way back when Nixon was being impeached Apparently he said that IF there had been a news organization that could have been Pro-Nixon (not this fair & balanced thing) Nixon would never have been impeached 40 years later with fox news … ---
**Author:** ![MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/markuswinter/32/32_2.png) [@MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/u/MarkusWinter)\ **Post date:** [29 August 2020 19:27 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/120 "2020-08-29T19:27:17Z")
> **[Michael Moore warns that Donald Trump is on course to repeat 2016 win](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/29/michael-moore-donald-trump-repeat-2016-warning)** > > Film-maker says enthusiasm for president in swing states is ‘off the charts’ and urges everyone to commit to getting 100 people to vote ---
**Author:** ![MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/markuswinter/32/32_2.png) [@MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/u/MarkusWinter)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2020 03:30 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/121 "2020-09-13T03:30:11Z")
> **[Roger Stone to Donald Trump: bring in martial law if you lose election](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election)** > > Trump meanwhile promises to ‘put down’ leftwing protests and says US Marshals killing Portland suspect was ‘retribution’ ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2020 03:37 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/122 "2020-09-13T03:37:38Z")
You cant tell me you’re surprised at this sort of recommendation from Stone ? The two idiots certainly seem to be gunning to start another civil war If we thought the last 3.x years were nasty you aint seen nothing yet ---
**Author:** ![MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/markuswinter/32/32_2.png) [@MarkusWinter](https://ifnotnil.com/u/MarkusWinter)\ **Post date:** [13 September 2020 04:19 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522/123 "2020-09-13T04:19:23Z")
Surprised? No. Why do you think I started this thread? For me it was plain to see. The same is happening in the UK - not yet on the same scale, but it’s getting there, the cleptocracy is in full swing. I do wonder if Garry still “likes” Boris though … [Previous page](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522.md?page=5) [Next page](https://ifnotnil.com/t/the-usa-s-slide-into-fascism/522.md?page=7)