# Reinvented Clippit — 30 years later **URL:** \ **Category:** Xojo\ **Created:** [29 October 2025 19:32 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481 "2025-10-29T19:32:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![marno](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@marno](https://ifnotnil.com/u/marno)\ **Post date:** [29 October 2025 19:32 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/1 "2025-10-29T19:32:18Z")
And now that I’ve actually tried the beta: I felt like in 1996, the year where Microsoft released Clippit — or “Karl Klammer,” as we called it in Germany. **This post is edited:** I’ve removed all beta-related details to avoid breaking Xojo’s rules. My sincere apologies to Xojo Inc. ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [29 October 2025 19:58 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/2 "2025-10-29T19:58:37Z")
TBH I dont think anyone there keep sup with whats going on with other ideas except by way of what they need them to do for writing framework code in C/C++ etc At least the appearances are that they dot because you end up with stuff like this And the name ? JADE - just another dumb experiment ? ---
**Author:** ![marno](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@marno](https://ifnotnil.com/u/marno)\ **Post date:** [29 October 2025 20:07 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/3 "2025-10-29T20:07:59Z")
_It’s as if the management were_ a mad professor locking himself in a basement in 1920, reappearing in 2000, and proudly announcing his latest breakthrough: _the talking movie!_ ---
**Author:** ![Jerry-Fritschle](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/b5a626/32.png) [@Jerry-Fritschle](https://ifnotnil.com/u/Jerry-Fritschle)\ **Post date:** [29 October 2025 21:45 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/4 "2025-10-29T21:45:52Z")
> [@npalardy](#): > > And the name ? JADE - just another dumb experiment ? If it weren’t already taken, I’d go with CSS–Constantly Chasing the Shiny. ---
**Author:** ![marno](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@marno](https://ifnotnil.com/u/marno)\ **Post date:** [29 October 2025 22:13 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/5 "2025-10-29T22:13:26Z")
Hey everyone, I’ve been contacted by Xojoan hour ago regarding this post. Apparently, some of the things I mentioned referred to content from the current pre-release, which - as I now know - must not be discussed outside the official Testers Forum. That was not my intention, and I honestly didn’t mean to break any rules. I’ve therefore edited my post accordingly and removed the relevant parts. To anyone who already read it: please don’t share or quote the original version anywhere else. Let’s keep things clean and fair - I don’t want anyone else getting into trouble because of me. And of course, my apologies to Xojo Inc. for the unintended rule violation. Lesson learned: sometimes “testing boundaries” should stay inside the sandbox. ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [29 October 2025 22:15 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/6 "2025-10-29T22:15:38Z")
> [@marno](#): > > I’ve been contacted by Xojoan hour ago regarding this post. Too damned funny they even bother with this forum since, according to them, its all nay sayers, trolls, & haters 😛 EDIT I suppose I could post something because WTF are they going to do to me that they havent done already ? ---
**Author:** ![marno](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@marno](https://ifnotnil.com/u/marno)\ **Post date:** [29 October 2025 22:25 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/7 "2025-10-29T22:25:00Z")
> [@npalardy](#): > > Too damned funny they even bother with this forum since, according to them, its all nay sayers, trolls, & haters At least it seems that the “nay-sayers, trolls & haters” are extremely important to the company - because things moved _really_ fast. Personally, I’ll just spend a lot more time developing my software to make my customers happy, and a lot less time monitoring various forums. ---
**Author:** ![marno](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@marno](https://ifnotnil.com/u/marno)\ **Post date:** [29 October 2025 22:33 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/8 "2025-10-29T22:33:16Z")
> [@npalardy](#): > > EDIT I suppose I could post something because WTF are they going to do to me that they havent done already ? Just a friendly warning: I got a direct notice from Xojo for posting pre-release stuff publicly. The exact wording was: > _“Continued violation of this rule will result in your exclusion from the Testers channel.”_ So this isn’t just a slap on the wrist — repeated breaches will cost you access!!! ---
**Author:** ![ivan](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/df788c/32.png) [@ivan](https://ifnotnil.com/u/ivan)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 01:55 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/9 "2025-10-30T01:55:10Z")
> [@marno](#): > > must not be discussed outside the official Testers Forum. After the backslash of SO MANY stupid decisions any sane person would had realized the importance of user input before wasting time and resurces on more stupid tings nobody want instead of fixing bugs. ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 01:57 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/10 "2025-10-30T01:57:20Z")
I’m already banned from their forums so I risk nothing ---
**Author:** ![thorstenstueker](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@thorstenstueker](https://ifnotnil.com/u/thorstenstueker)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 05:59 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/11 "2025-10-30T05:59:16Z")
Ha, Norman, you are in the risk of 2000 years Ban 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TomasJ](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/tomasj/32/4998_2.png) [@TomasJ](https://ifnotnil.com/u/TomasJ)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 06:30 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/12 "2025-10-30T06:30:37Z")
And next month we will read, that they missed their target to release a new Version in 2025 due to the fact that they need to sue some beta tester from Europe who undisclosed important information of high strategic value. ---
**Author:** ![thorstenstueker](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@thorstenstueker](https://ifnotnil.com/u/thorstenstueker)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 06:46 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/13 "2025-10-30T06:46:07Z")
What ever they do: it will not be top notch technology. They lost the battle with all the others before long time. While young users are not basic programmers. More Python or C#. And that kills the capabilities of selling soo many million licenses. What ever. ---
**Author:** ![anic297](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/anic297/32/18_2.png) [@anic297](https://ifnotnil.com/u/anic297)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 12:18 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/14 "2025-10-30T12:18:57Z")
> [@marno](#): > > So this isn’t just a slap on the wrist — repeated breaches will cost you access!!! Can they find who you are on the other forum if your user name and email address here are different? (not that I’ll do anything in that regard, but just curious). ---
**Author:** ![marno](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@marno](https://ifnotnil.com/u/marno)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 12:58 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/15 "2025-10-30T12:58:36Z")
I had referenced one of my own posts from the Xojo forum in my original message, so it was pretty easy for them to make the connection. But that’s fine — I have an opinion, and I stand by it. There’s no need to hide that. ---
**Author:** ![marno](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@marno](https://ifnotnil.com/u/marno)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 13:11 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/16 "2025-10-30T13:11:09Z")
> [@thorstenstueker](#): > > What ever they do: it will not be top notch technology. They lost the battle with all the others before long time. While young users are not basic programmers. More Python or C#. And that kills the capabilities of selling soo many million licenses. What ever. I haven’t completely given up hope that one day they’ll finally do something truly great. Sure, management makes a lot of decisions, but there are still developers behind the scenes — and I’d bet good money that some of them know things are heading in the wrong direction. So I keep hoping that one day someone just builds something on their own, it slips through unnoticed, and suddenly something genuinely cool appears. But so far, it always ends up the same way: a database abstraction layer where I found the first SQL injection after 20 seconds of reading the source code (not to mention the unbelievably poor code quality), a database management IDE class that crashed after five minutes because it didn’t handle timeouts, couldn’t deal with UTF-8, etc., and now yet another “beta product” that adds no real value - even though it’s a feature I’ve been waiting for for years, and one that could have made me actually buy licenses again. It all just feels rushed and half-baked. Honestly, most of these features could be built in a few hours by a single part-time developer - faster and better than what the team delivers. ---
**Author:** ![marno](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@marno](https://ifnotnil.com/u/marno)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 13:17 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/17 "2025-10-30T13:17:48Z")
Oh, and of course, I forgot the most ridiculous part: They don’t even follow their _own_ coding guidelines in their examples and documentation. Everything is full of variables like f, p, i, d, bs, and so on. It honestly looks like that’s their idea of “good code.” At the same time, they seem to have found some random coding guidelines online and thought, “let’s put that on our website.” (The guidelines themselves aren’t bad — they just don’t follow them.) And I swear, if I ever got to see the source code of the IDE itself, I’d probably decide within seconds that I could never develop software with it again. That’s always my first instinct whenever I see _any_ code coming from Xojo. This whole DBKit thing is the perfect example for a lecture titled: **“How you should absolutely never write software.”** It embodies nearly every single mistake one could possibly make. ---
**Author:** ![marno](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@marno](https://ifnotnil.com/u/marno)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 13:26 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/18 "2025-10-30T13:26:43Z")
Actually, that’s not fair — the talk shouldn’t be called _“How you should absolutely never write software.”_ A more accurate title would be: > _“How nobody should ever program anything — but this is how our ancestors did it back in the dark ages.”_ ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 13:51 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/19 "2025-10-30T13:51:39Z")
No but people have said what their real names are from time to time ---
**Author:** ![HalGumbert](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/halgumbert/32/2198_2.png) [@HalGumbert](https://ifnotnil.com/u/HalGumbert)\ **Post date:** [30 October 2025 13:57 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481/20 "2025-10-30T13:57:15Z")
> [@marno](#): > > This whole DBKit thing is the perfect example for a lecture titled: > > **“How you should absolutely never write software.”** It’s really sad. I begged Geoff for that, but not like that. I was trying to get FileMaker peeps in interested in Xojo, but FM users generally don’t really use SQL. So I suggested that Geoff update the control binding stuff, but on steroids. But nope… [Next page](https://ifnotnil.com/t/reinvented-clippit-30-years-later/4481.md?page=2)