# Michael Tsai just posted about Xojo **URL:** \ **Category:** Xojo\ **Created:** [28 November 2023 05:10 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709 "2023-11-28T05:10:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![samRowlands](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/samrowlands/32/121_2.png) [@samRowlands](https://ifnotnil.com/u/samRowlands)\ **Post date:** [28 November 2023 05:10 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709/1 "2023-11-28T05:10:11Z")
Michael Tsai, a prominent Mac development blogger has just posted an article about Moving on From Xojo using excerpts from Bob’s blog, Alain’s blog and my own blog. I don’t think there’s any going back for any of us. [https://mjtsai.com/blog/2023/11/27/moving-on-from-xojo/](https://mjtsai.com/blog/2023/11/27/moving-on-from-xojo/) ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [28 November 2023 05:56 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709/2 "2023-11-28T05:56:21Z")
I almost feel left out now ☹ ---
**Author:** ![samRowlands](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/samrowlands/32/121_2.png) [@samRowlands](https://ifnotnil.com/u/samRowlands)\ **Post date:** [28 November 2023 05:57 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709/3 "2023-11-28T05:57:49Z")
Well you know what to do about it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HalGumbert](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/halgumbert/32/2198_2.png) [@HalGumbert](https://ifnotnil.com/u/HalGumbert)\ **Post date:** [28 November 2023 14:31 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709/4 "2023-11-28T14:31:22Z")
> [@samRowlands](#): > > I don’t think there’s any going back for any of us. Geoff drove Xojo down the toilet. Just think about the losses. Not Xojo’s losses, but all the time, effort, and money we all put into Xojo. All gone… ---
**Author:** ![dalu](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/dalu/32/1776_2.png) [@dalu](https://ifnotnil.com/u/dalu)\ **Post date:** [28 November 2023 20:53 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709/5 "2023-11-28T20:53:43Z")
pathetic you asked him to write a bout it ? you are going on a HATE trip on destroying xojo? feels like it ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [28 November 2023 21:24 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709/6 "2023-11-28T21:24:16Z")
I doubt anyone asked Michael to write about it > [@dalu](#): > > you are going on a HATE trip on destroying xojo? They’re doing the job without any additional help Which many here have lamented But they have been rebuffed trying to help enough times to know that they dont want it regardless So some have moved - to go, swift, java, or other products I dont think anyone has said they hate Xojo What they HAVE said they hate is the lack of focus on things that, to them, matter Like bug fixing, stability & performance & Xojo instead making such odd changes as abandoning Web 1 without any support whatsoever, API 2 and then renaming controls All of those have simply indicated to existing users (the vast majority of what you find on this forum) that LONG TERM users are NOT of any value or concern to Xojo THATS the lament Coulda been Shoulda been Woulda been but aint ever going to happen ---
**Author:** ![ivan](https://ifnotnil.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/df788c/32.png) [@ivan](https://ifnotnil.com/u/ivan)\ **Post date:** [29 November 2023 01:18 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709/7 "2023-11-29T01:18:06Z")
> [@dalu](#): > > you are going on a HATE trip on destroying xojo? > feels like it No one needs to make a trip to destroy xojo. The CEO is really good at that. ![image](https://ifnotnil.com/uploads/default/original/2X/2/2f59396c77c307d5c9f43a1a5ae0b33dd0bf0b3a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![samRowlands](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/samrowlands/32/121_2.png) [@samRowlands](https://ifnotnil.com/u/samRowlands)\ **Post date:** [29 November 2023 01:23 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709/8 "2023-11-29T01:23:47Z")
Michael’s updated his post with more information from [Patrice Calligaris](https://twitter.com/digicalidesign/status/1729262268742033478), [Jeannot Muller](https://jeannot.hashnode.dev/xojo-in-the-2020s) and [Bob Keeney](https://ifnotnil.com/t/blog-post-preview-thoughts/3639). And he has linked to If Not Nil 😃 We’re all gonna be famous… ---
**Author:** ![samRowlands](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/samrowlands/32/121_2.png) [@samRowlands](https://ifnotnil.com/u/samRowlands)\ **Post date:** [29 November 2023 03:09 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709/9 "2023-11-29T03:09:24Z")
I missed it in the details, but there’s also a link to Tim’s awesome Lifeboat. [https://strawberrysw.com/lifeboat/](https://strawberrysw.com/lifeboat/) Woot! ---
**Author:** ![bgrommes](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/bgrommes/32/2651_2.png) [@bgrommes](https://ifnotnil.com/u/bgrommes)\ **Post date:** [29 November 2023 17:14 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709/11 "2023-11-29T17:14:24Z")
Xojo is the sort of product I WANT to love actually. I gave it a fair go. It’s smoke and mirrors and unsustainable. [shrug] ---
**Author:** ![npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/user_avatar/ifnotnil.com/npalardy/32/10_2.png) [@npalardy](https://ifnotnil.com/u/npalardy)\ **Post date:** [29 November 2023 17:17 UTC](https://ifnotnil.com/t/michael-tsai-just-posted-about-xojo/3709/12 "2023-11-29T17:17:37Z")
Yeah the promise is hugely desirable And, for a long time many even might have said it more or less got a long way there for desktop But the wheels seem to have come off that bus lately