If I were ever

I have yet to see any of the so-called “MVP” do ANY of the things you mentioned above

Xojo doesn’t seem to care about customer support unless you email support or call Geoff. In the forums, only seem to care when someone is critical.

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and once someone goes “critical” the easy thing is to just ban/ignore them

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:man_shrugging:

  1. this one is a reward for something (maybe not being harsh?)

  2. getting the word out isnt something I’ve seen a ton of
    no way to know how much they relate from their interactions with “the community” TO Xojo

  3. “informal advisory committee” because listening to everyone through other means is JUST so hard so we listen to the 5 or 6 people we like ? Seems VERY limiting to me since they arent going to “represent” all viewpoints nor are they inclusive. They ignore folks just as much as Xojo does

So I guess no I haven’t seen much evidence it does add anything

Prove me wrong :stuck_out_tongue:

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It was said by someone close to Geoff, that Xojo’s market share is expected to continue declining for the foreseeable future.

If you couple that with the cost to bring Xojo up to a level where it can compete with modern development tools, it’s a huge investment to make. The trouble is that most of Xojo’s competition are FREE, which seriously hampers the ability to earn a return on such a massive investment.

I currently don’t see any way in which Xojo can grow or thrive, I feel it is far too late for that and API 2.0 only accelerated its demise.

The only viable path, is not a profitable one and that’s to keep it ticking over with minimal investment until there really isn’t enough customers left.

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I’ve heard from several MVPs that MVPs do argue cases for customers, its frustrating to hear Xojo’s customers really want/need something, but the man at the top just keeps saying “No.”.

I’ve also been told he’s threatened employees with termination if they don’t agree with him.

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However until relatively recently, in the various and forums and mailing lists that existed over the years, that was always the case.

If it had not been, I would likely not have stuck with the product for so long.

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Lets just say I am not surprised

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It seems to have stopped somewhere in late 2019 or so
I know I spent a ton of time on the forums helping people out and getting raked over the coals for decisions I didnt make
But I persisted mostly because it felt like the right thing to do

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That explains a lot. Ooooooof.

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Anyone else want to build their own multi-platform dev tool/IDE? Lol

Use Jetbrains like PHPStorm and you’ll see that how terrible the Xojo IDE is…

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VSCode is surprisingly good and works with a ton of languages and has a lot of plugins to increase functionality.

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About the only thing the Xojo IDE has those dont is a visual designer (AFAICT) for layouts

Is that a killer ? For Xojo yes
For other tools that are using declarative UI’s a really fast preview seems useful enough

Others do exist based on the IntelliJ platform though that do have visual designers

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I have not missed that with responsive controls.

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Some tools have instant or hot reload previews which is nice enough
So you write code & it gets previewed very quickly

That can at least short cut the cycle of having to run everything to see if it responds the way you expect

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