It is all they have
And it wont cover 100% of what their users use
But it is better than not experiencing that pain and them staying on API 1 and everyone else grudgingly adopting API 2 & the new desktop controls
I said exactly what I meant. Xojo hasn’t kept pace with their competitors.
Everything that doesn’t evolve will become outdated.
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Have you seen the tiobe index that xojo is in some times and they brag about? Well, there are like 100 options, and that is just in languajes, for most of the top ones, there are many many options for IDEs, tools, frameworks.
Xojo hasn’t been in the Tiobe index top 100 for several months in a row and won’t make it back.
Xojo Inc makes easy money on faith-driven devotees 
That makes it sound like a cult with tithes to the high priests 
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only “High Priest” that gets a “tithe” is Geoff, everyone else gets a whip
When “vote with your wallet” pops out in TOF, there is allways some users who says: “but we must support the tool” otherwise is going to have problems.
I allways thaught that xojo was barely existing by pitty or as charity but, maybe some of them look it as tithing 
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Tool is a typealias for BossWallet.
That has long been the most ridiculous answer I ever saw
Would you just randomly send GM money to “support them” ? Or Apple ?
Sure they’re giants so maybe they dont need it
But would you walk into your local coffee shop, hand them money and walk out ?
Or buy a coffee and NOT drink it ?
Or buy something edible then throw it out ?
Just to support them ?
For years I saw people say things like “I paid for the latest version but I dont use it”
Uh ? Really ?
If you just want to support someone by handing them money I’ll give you my PayPal account name and you can deposit it there
WHY people feel they NEED to “support their efforts” then NOT use the version they paid for I never understood
Even less now that there is no discount for renewing an existing license.
Buying Xojo should be NO different than any other product you buy
You buy it when you need it. Use it.
And buy a new one when you need it.
Anything else I just do not understand and think it basically a gift
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YES
done that, to support local buisnesses
I’ve done it with third party devs too
you go into a coffee shop & just hand them money ?
or buy a coffee then throw it out ?
or buy a croissant and throw it away ?
buying local is fine - I do that as well
But I dont buy things I dont use or just hand them money
I really doubt you do anything different
If so you can just send the money my way
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Well money – lots of it – and that probably means outside unless Geoff is sitting on 30 million dollars he has invested in debentures someplace.
That is why I was fantasizing what I could do if (1) had or could raise that kind of money and (2) Geoff would sell.
I did not really address triaging platforms. I don’t know that a desktop-only product would really have long term survival potential in today’s world, but you are right, if you wanted to address mobile and web, those platforms as currently implemented are so awful that they would have to be ditched and redone. Certainly the web platform for sure; I don’t know enough about mobile to know if their basic approach to it is sound (or could be feasibly made sound) and they just don’t have the personnel to flesh it out.
And yes aside from expanding permanent staff, bring in 2 or 3 contractors to help out during the first couple of years because of the technical debt / backlog.
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2 indispensable keypoints. No amount of mone is going to be enought with the crappy leadership that the product has.
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Naaaaa
The xojo IDE is like the QWERTY keyboard, It is a bad design, Slows you down, bout you are so used to that you dont notice until you try other IDEs.
Dogfooding at this point in xojo makes no sense because they are so used to the slow and limited IDE
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Pie in the Sky idea.
Adopt a popular language and compile for targets that others do not. Take SwiftUI for instance, from one project you can make apps for macOS, iPadOS, iOS, watchOS and tvOS. With the help of skip tools, you can compile for Android (I don’t know if this means Android Wear or Android TV).
But you can’t use SwiftUI to make Windows or Linux apps.
Xojo have the technology to fill in that hole, and by dropping their IDE and other targets, they could really focus on doing the job well, and here’s the best bit. SwiftUI adoption is only growing, unlike Xojo’s market share, if they jump aboard they’ll not only ride the wave, but they’ll make it bigger as it would enable more companies to adopt SwiftUI, knowing that one project can rule them all.
They could then even adopt other Declarative UI languages and more targets down the road. i.e. Google’s JetPack for macOS.
Xojo’s customers are used to having to re-write their apps, so this would just be another day in paradise for them.
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I think they are too invested in several things to ever consider such a switch
- basic
- “their baby” not someone else’s
- “but we already have such a huge investment we would lose all that if we switched” (for Xojo & customers)
at least those spring to mind
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Tsck… You either adapt or you die.
Xojo is dying. The CEO can pretend all they like, but it isn’t going to change the fact that Xojo was dying before API 2.0 was a twinkling in their eye.
Now with every major platform vendor working on x-plat tools (even unofficially) and a UI paradigm that severely reduces the workload to ship on multiple targets, Xojo needs to think outside of their comfort zone or be relegated to the history book as what happens when you don’t adapt.
Excuses for not adapting are like nails in a coffin. At the end of the day, what good is “we already have such a huge investment” if you’re not making money from it?
Just my 2¢ on this today.
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Slows you down, but you are so used to that you dont notice until you try other IDEs.
Not sure I could work a lot faster in other IDEs, isn’t most of what we do just typing?
But I just sat and watched the first hour of this:
and the number of times I went ‘Oh- THAT would have been useful!’ …
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For example, Xcode validates your code as you type. No need to command-k.
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Xcode’s autocomplete and integration of documentation is world class.
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